Story 72: The River Hudson and Other Potamoi (with DisneyBeans)
“Rivers are goofily important.”
Life thrives around rivers, and fandom thrives around fan creators. This week, we’re joined by special guest DisenyBeans (Bri) to discuss the potamoi (AKA River Gods).
Talking points include minor spoilers for Chalice of the Gods, the importance of cutting those plastic can holder rings up, a friendly reminder to STAY OUT OF CANALS, rivers as primordial kings, that time Achilles straight up fought a river, and the AMAZING fandom merch you can order from DisneyBeans right now!
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Spoilers for Chalice of the Gods, Mark of Athena, Trials of Apollo, and SMITE
Content Warning: This episode contains mentions of and conversations about drowning, death, kidnapping, and sexism.
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TRANSCRIPT
Darien (00:00.925)
Welcome to Muse of Mythology, a podcast where we explore how ancient myths become part of modern pop culture through the lens of Rick Riordan's, Percy Jackson, and the Olympians series. This is story 72, River Gods. I'm your co-host and podcasting muse, Darian Smart. Joining me is my co-host and brother, DJ.
DJ (00:21.169)
How's everybody doing today? I am the muse of hygiene. Gotta be clean, gotta be squeaky.
Darien (00:25.026)
Hygiene? I-
That's fair. I definitely thought that was going to end in hijinks, and I was unclear on the relation, but hygiene does make more sense. Well, let's muse around in the garden a bit. Let's muse around the garden real quick. Let me take that one more time. All right, well, let's go muse around the garden for a bit.
DJ (00:36.179)
Hygiene.
Darien (00:52.61)
Hey DJ, guess what? It's going good.
DJ (00:56.709)
How's it going?
Darien
That's not how we- That's not the response I was looking for in Hey DJ, Guess What?
DJ (01:05.253)
Well, how's it going?
Darien (01:06.666)
Well, okay, well, it's going, is that I feel like up at the top, we should let listeners know that in this episode, we will be discussing Chalice of the Gods. So. Mild spoilers. We're gonna be discussing a one scene from Percy Jackson and the Olympians, book six, the Chalice of the Gods, because it is related to our topic. When we get into that conversation fully, we will absolutely be like, hey, heads up, so if you wanna just hit that skip button, or if you wanna skip this episode entirely until you've read it.
DJ (01:13.789)
That we will, yeah. There will be spoilers for Percy Jackson, the Olympians, Chalice of the Gods.
DJ (01:26.148)
Absolutely.
Darien (01:35.626)
Listeners, we totally understand. That's why we're talking about it now. It's so important that we're talking about it before we even introduce our guests.
DJ (01:38.982)
Mm-hmm.
DJ (01:44.945)
Hehehehe
Darien (01:47.01)
Today we are joined by incredible artists, the mastermind behind Disney Beans. You have seen their merch, I have worn their merch. Disney Beans, but you can call them Brie or Beans. Hello!
DisneyBeans (01:56.426)
Hey guys, how's it going? G-Girl Beans here. Thank you for having me on. I'm so excited. I've never done anything like this before. So this is the first in the fandom Beans for me.
Darien (02:10.256)
I'm so-
I'm so delighted that we snatched you up first. I'm shocked that no one else was like, oh, we should invite beans on. Like, I was like, no, me, I did it.
DisneyBeans (02:19.882)
but it's never been followed through with, at least not yet. So maybe this will start the whole chain reaction of guest pods for me.
Darien (02:24.219)
Oh, see, I'm... Yes. I'm great at follow through, so thank you so much for validating me.
DisneyBeans (02:34.314)
Yeah, and I thank you so much for ordering merch for me. Like I sit here in my office making all of my shirts and my stickers and just everything that I have on my website is made by me. So every order is like so special to me. So thank you.
Darien (02:38.335)
Yeah!
Darien (02:48.662)
It's so good. Yay! Yeah, for listeners, you won't know this, so I'm going to tell you this. Right now, Beenz is wearing one of their Camp Half-Blood long sleeves with the emblem. It's so good, so much better than... Oh, with the words on the side! And... There.
DisneyBeans (03:03.21)
Yes, the sleeve has the text Camp Half Blood. It's super cool. You can see it on Instagram or my website, but...
Darien (03:09.742)
Mm-hmm. And also I spy a metal Percy Jackson camp necklace.
DisneyBeans (03:16.138)
Yes, so stainless steel beads and I make the necklace cord out of like wax coated string. So it is super comfortable. Yeah, so it has like these double knot closures and I saw in the, I don't know if this is a spoiler, but Percy Jackson trailer for the Disney Plus show, it also has these double knot closures of the necklace and I was like perfect. So that's the, it's canon.
Darien (03:22.302)
It's very comfortable. Because I bought one, that's how I know.
DJ (03:24.473)
Nice.
Darien (03:37.54)
Ah, hey!
Wow, if it's Canada, yeah, if only the shirt design on the show was half as good as yours. And that is all we will say about the show while strikes are still going on, yes. But for now, I will just say, if you want a good Percy Jackson shirt, you should order from Disbeam's because I wore mine to Epcot and it was incredible. I got lost in fake Italy.
DisneyBeans (03:47.69)
Oh stop.
DisneyBeans (03:51.818)
It could be a whole other podcast.
DisneyBeans (04:03.146)
Yeah. Speaking of, that day that you were in Epcot, I was in Magic Kingdom wearing the exact same shirt, and I was like, I tell my husband, we have to go park hop to find her because I've never had my shirt in the same place like at one time. So I was, I, we never wound up going, but.
Darien (04:09.473)
Ah!
Darien (04:16.111)
Oh my god!
Darien (04:21.514)
I would have, oh, I would have, if you had told me that, I would have been like, yes, no, come, I will find you, where are you at?
DisneyBeans (04:25.354)
Well, next time you plan a Disney trip and you know me, I'm Disney adult here. Let me know and we'll we'll do a Percy Jackson themed trip for sure.
Darien (04:29.846)
Ha! Absolutely! I know, I'm over here like Percy Jackson, World Wind, I know the show's not even out yet, but it's obviously gonna be a huge success, and River Country, you're just sitting there on River Country land! Just bulldoze it and build some cabins. Let's go. So... Yes. I love it. Exactly. All of them.
DisneyBeans (04:40.074)
Oh yes.
DisneyBeans (04:45.738)
That's what I'm saying. Fort Wilderness, just convert them to cabins one through 12. 13, I guess. All of the above.
Darien (04:53.694)
Speaking of cabins, we haven't done this in a while, but you gave us some very fun Fun fact about you before we started so I'm gonna do it now. Do you want to tell us who your godly parent is?
DisneyBeans (05:05.066)
Well, so I think I might have two. So first and foremost, if we're going like the main 12 Greek gods and goddesses, I am a daughter of Poseidon. Through and through, I love the beach, the ocean. I just am on whatever frequency that is. I go downtown near the river, near the water, like every Friday night just to hang. And I try to get to the beach as often as possible. It's kind of hard being an adult and all. And then my other godly parent would be
Darien (05:26.156)
Aww.
DisneyBeans (05:34.026)
and I can't remember his name, so you'll have to help me out, but he is the god of beans. Just listening to your podcast a couple, you know, the couple podcasts ago when you're talking about Demeter and how Demeter did not invent beans or find beans, I was laughing so hard because I was like, that guy, whoever he is that discovered beans, that is my godly parent.
Darien (05:36.53)
Oh gosh. Yep.
Darien (05:59.246)
It looks like, uh, Siamites is how we're going to decide that's pronounced for this moment.
DisneyBeans (06:01.962)
Yes. Yeah. However, you might think to say it, but definitely I just the whole beans thing is a couple different reasons why I go buy beans. When I was younger and still to this day, I love pinto beans. I just like eating beans. And then I've developed a really strong love for coffee. So coffee beans and Disney, it's all part of the brand. So it's just, it's just who I am. Can't apologize.
Darien (06:19.927)
Mm-hmm.
Darien (06:25.226)
That's so charming. Perfect. I love that. Shouldn't apologize, never apologize. Fortunately for this episode, we are not going on the bean track. We are gonna hang out in the Poseidon Ocean Water Track because we're talking about river gods.
DisneyBeans (06:41.514)
Absolutely.
DJ (06:44.81)
Yeah!
Darien (06:46.37)
So usually I'd be like, why'd you pick this episode? But I think you've already stated that very clearly. So let's just get into it. Hey, DJ, what's up with the River Gods in the Percy Jackson books?
DJ (06:49.705)
Hehehe
DisneyBeans (06:53.107)
Yeah, absolutely.
DJ (06:58.598)
What's up?
DJ (07:02.833)
Well, I know they were the gods of the river Hudson in the West.
Darien (07:11.586)
I'm just saying no because we have listeners from New York City area who will text me immediately if I don't instantly correct. It's the East River. So you were close, but I was just like, Tim O'Connor and Robert Kamer are going to call me personally.
DJ (07:12.082)
What's the other one then?
DJ (07:19.449)
Okay, then what's the other one? I know it's Hudson in something. East, that's what it was. It was a cardinal direction. God forbid I get the opposite cardinal direction, guys.
Darien (07:32.426)
In New York? Yeah, DJ! God forbid!
DJ (07:36.945)
The streets are numbered. They are not happy with the state of their rivers because they are quite filthy. Nobody recommends swimming in those guys. Percy tries to make a deal with them by giving them half a sand dollar and they agree. And the sand dollar makes the waters just like 1% cleaner.
Darien (07:39.178)
How you getting lost in New York? The streets are numbered! No.
Darien (08:01.006)
Yeah, that's something I definitely wanted to touch on. Yeah, it's during the Battle of Manhattan and Crotus' forces are crossing the river, so Percy pays off the river gods to sink the ships so they don't cross, which is great. I love the creative problem solving on the behalf of Percy Jackson.
DJ (08:02.565)
I don't quite understand that.
DisneyBeans (08:03.302)
Ugh.
Darien (08:25.106)
I don't know, there's no but there. It felt like there was, but no, I actually just love everything about those scenes. Dis, beans, yeah.
DJ (08:30.684)
There are a lot of fun there. It's a very good time. I love Percy interacting with water deities. It's always just a fun dynamic.
Darien (08:39.693)
They hate him so much every time.
DJ (08:41.805)
Well, you can never tell if it's going to be that you hate him so much or they like Fake like him to try to get in the good graces of Poseidon or they do just kind of enjoy hanging around
Darien (08:49.226)
was yeah.
DJ (08:53.971)
It's always a toss-up, it's always a fun time.
Darien (08:57.374)
Yeah, I think. Oh, I have too many bookmarks. This is for the next. That's that's the bookmark for the next episode. I need a reference. That's for Prometheus. This is the bookmark I wanted. So, yeah, I do love how there's one of the things when Percy jumps in there, he's thinking about how like he doesn't even think he'll get the river's attention because they're gods, so why would they pay attention? But.
He starts shouting insults at them. I heard your skies are so polluted you're embarrassed to show your faces. Is that true? I heard the East River is more toxic, but Hudson smells worse. Or is that the other way around? It's like, yeah. Yeah. He's like, I was afraid I miscalculated the insults. What if they just blasted me without showing themselves? But these were New York River gods. I figured their instinct would just be get in my face.
DJ (09:25.801)
Hehehehe
DisneyBeans (09:26.698)
Thank you.
DJ (09:32.741)
I wouldn't take a swim in either one, bud.
DisneyBeans (09:35.754)
real.
Darien (09:47.934)
And yeah, we had the two river gods show up. I think, what is it? One looks like a dude dressed in rags and seaweed with a chainmail coat made of bottle caps and plastic six pack holders. Cut the six pack holders up. I shouldn't have to say this, but I feel like if you use cans that have the plastic six pack ring, cut them up.
DJ (10:11.813)
At this point, it's just domestic. Like I stock beers for living. At this point, the only beers like left with those plastic things, even like for the most part, I guess like Powerade and the Gatorade still have it for their eight packs. But the only beers with it are like the domestic Miller and Coors Light, as well as like, you know, those kinds of brands. Like all the, yeah, all the craft ones use these fancy new plastic ones that are just like, plastic on top, there's no way a turtle can get in there.
Darien (10:30.494)
And so does have them too.
Darien (10:40.414)
Yeah, it's like, it's like people didn't all grow up with that picture book about the sea turtle who gets trapped in a ring. I can't believe. So there's your PSA for today. Cut them up. And this one is that what is that one?
DJ (10:47.593)
Wow, crazy.
DJ (10:54.301)
Cut them.
Darien (10:57.314)
Hudson and in the East River is a seal. He looks like a telekeen. His face is wolfish, his body was vaguely like a seal. Slick black with flipper hands and feet. His eyes glowed radiation green. Because as you said DJ, they are very polluted.
DJ (11:14.349)
Very polluted those rivers kind of numbed around them before the government stepped in
Darien (11:19.662)
Oh yeah. Yeah, it is. It is a thing. How? This is like the first time we've met river gods proper. We've seen a lot of Nyads and Nereids. Ocean gods, obviously.
DisneyBeans (11:19.815)
Hehehehe
DJ (11:33.434)
I guess it's true, yeah.
DisneyBeans (11:35.338)
There was no river god after he jumped in that one from the arch, right?
Darien (11:41.114)
No, he saw the... Nereids were in there, yeah.
DisneyBeans (11:45.745)
Oh, okay, yeah.
DJ (11:46.157)
I thought that was a naiad sent by Poseidon.
Darien (11:49.51)
Oh yes, that's right, because she was salt watered, she can't be so up freshwater. That's right. So, being the first display, how do we feel about these figures? Yeah?
DJ (11:53.862)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (11:55.175)
Mm-hmm.
DJ (12:02.021)
I love them, they're fun. A good time.
DisneyBeans (12:05.514)
I personally just like how Percy's first instinct was like, let's just insult them and see what happens. Like no thought whatsoever, not a thought in his head, just.
Darien (12:15.418)
No, our boy's getting- he's instantly gotten real used to having the Curse of Achilles. Like, they uh, they try to... They try to fuck him up and it doesn't work and they're like, Oh, I see, Curse of Achilles. All right, well... Yeah. Mm-hmm.
DisneyBeans (12:20.645)
Oh yeah.
DisneyBeans (12:28.658)
Yeah, and he's so in his element too that it's like, why even try anything, you know? So.
DJ (12:33.717)
Yeah, like this, I don't know if these gods would actually win against Percy at this point in time. There's no shot. He beat Hades, he goes on to beat the shit out of Hyperion. Like there's no chance.
Darien (12:39.198)
Oh no, no they wouldn't have. He beat Hades in fisticuffs, so.
DisneyBeans (12:39.909)
Yeah.
Darien (12:49.099)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (12:51.011)
He's hyped up, man. He is just jacked on that sticks water.
DJ (12:55.485)
He's all jacked up on Mountain Dew.
Darien (12:55.678)
That's Sixth Water that Baha Blast Mountain Dew!
DisneyBeans (13:01.068)
He cut up the rings though, before he, you know. Yep.
Darien (13:02.602)
He did, while he was down there, yeah, yeah. I can actually just, I would love fan art of Percy just cutting the rings on the Hudson. We're just like, let me just get those for you. Let me just get those for you. With riptide, just, oh yeah, you can do art. You actually do art. Ha ha ha.
DisneyBeans (13:11.159)
Yeah, let me just add that to my list of like ideas to draw
DisneyBeans (13:21.57)
That was the first and foremost for me was like I was a fan artist and then it somehow
DJ (13:24.595)
Is Percy using his water powers to pin the water gun? Be like, just hold on, dude.
Darien (13:32.022)
Like an older silver just like, let me pop this pimple! Yeah, Supervisor, but like with environmental things, like just... Sea turtles! It'll be fine.
DJ (13:32.229)
and him just struggling like a fucking cat stuck in a bag.
DisneyBeans (13:32.41)
We need more fan art of Percy just being super aggressive. Yeah.
DJ (13:38.813)
Yeah. Calm down.
DisneyBeans (13:42.226)
Yeah, like he's got plastic straws and he's trying to stab the river gods, you know? Like, stop letting these... HAHAHAHA
DJ (13:46.217)
Exactly. This is straw up his nose.
Darien (13:49.136)
Mm-hmm. Oh no! When did Percy get the Sand Dollar? Was that the fourth book, or was that at the beginning of this book?
DisneyBeans (13:54.096)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (14:01.682)
I feel like I just read up on this and now I can't remember. But like shop related stuff, I had to look it up because I started including little Sand Dollar charms with the necklaces in case people wanted to put them on the necklaces. And I do want to say it's in the fifth book. Yeah.
Darien (14:19.282)
Okay, right, like, he talks about not being very helpful and he just had a sandal.
DJ (14:22.641)
Right here.
DisneyBeans (14:23.562)
I'm probably wrong though. My memory of... Oh, okay, close enough.
DJ (14:25.521)
He gets it in battle. Towards the end, Percy receives a sand dollar. It says 15th birthday gift from Poseidon. Not knowing when or how he was supposed to use it, Percy adds it to his camp necklace.
Darien (14:36.598)
That's right, he- cause it's at the party, right?
DJ (14:41.981)
That's just what it says here.
DisneyBeans (14:44.25)
I do remember just him trying to use it in the vending machine at school lunch and like it didn't work and he was really disappointed. That's about the only thing I remember about the Sand Dollar.
Darien (14:50.582)
Yes, I love that. He's like, maybe I'll just use it here. Yeah, you're right. I think he mentions having it in the last Olympian, but he gets it in Battle of the Labyrinth.
DJ (14:50.833)
Damn.
DJ (15:01.625)
Yeah, he gets it at the end of battle.
Darien (15:03.402)
Yeah, but we don't see it until later. I just think it would've been really funny if he had it for a while, like since book two, just a sand dollar, and this is what it's used for. Like, I just like the buildup. I'm just, it's been hanging around for this reason. How much does it clear up the pollution? Not a lot, but.
DJ (15:23.721)
Not a lot. I think what I remember specifically is like, wow, just a little spurt of fresh water. I bet it felt nice, you know, like getting sprayed down with cold water on a hot summer's day, but then now you're just wet and sweaty.
Darien (15:38.774)
Yeah, it doesn't, like he breaks it in half and there's a little ripple of fresh water. As if all the pollution in the bay were being dissolved and then he gets one half to each of the rivers, but it doesn't, we don't revisit to see if there's any actual impact on the rivers. But there must be, how do we, I guess I already said it, I feel like a broken clock, but how do we feel about that as readers?
DJ (15:46.482)
Yeah.
DJ (16:07.004)
Like it.
DisneyBeans (16:07.207)
there's no follow-up.
DJ (16:11.889)
There's not a lot of follow up in the Iliad or Odyssey. Ha ha ha.
DisneyBeans (16:17.502)
Oh. Can there be?
Darien (16:21.381)
I would say the Odyssey is actually all follow-up of the Iliad, but just of one guy.
DJ (16:26.329)
You're right, but there's no there's no follow up of the Odyssey.
Darien (16:32.878)
Follow up!
DJ (16:32.893)
They were supposed to be! We lost it. It's gone to the wind now. Bye!
Darien (16:37.398)
somewhere by. No, I think it's someone has someone was told at the very least. I do like the that's what the sand dollar is for like this symbolic like the cleaning it ties into that like environmental message that was like really strong in the Percy Jackson books. And that Percy trades like the
DJ (16:39.867)
It was written.
DJ (16:44.135)
Yeah.
DJ (16:58.042)
Mm-hmm.
Darien (17:03.818)
Yeah, well how do I want to word it? He's able to get these gods to help him By offering them like literally a better future for themselves
by like, you can clean your waters, you can feel better, be healthier, like this important environmental impact. And it sort of foreshadows, or just like underlines who Percy is, like later on, he was willing to like give up godhood to, like not, he didn't even want that, not really give it up. They just, the gods just assumed that's what he would ask for. He's like, no, pay your fucking child support. Like that's what I want. I just.
DisneyBeans (17:35.724)
Hahaha
There was follow up on that though. So, yeah.
Darien (17:40.514)
There was. Now the follow-up was they did bad. They dropped. They just, the gods suck. Overthrow Zeus win, Rick. Overthrow Zeus win. But.
DJ (17:42.789)
Not enough, but...
DisneyBeans (17:45.675)
Yeah.
DJ (17:51.185)
He's building up to something. I doubt that's what it is, but he's building something.
Darien (17:55.31)
I can't believe we're still hanging out with this guy. Speaking of building up to something, spoilers for Chalice of the Gods. I don't want anybody to at me that we didn't give them enough warning. Because we meet another River God. Beans, as I recall, you said this was your favorite River God when we were messaging, so would you like to take point on telling us about this boy?
DisneyBeans (17:56.439)
Yeah, that's for sure.
DJ (18:03.599)
Yeah.
Yeah. This is your second warning, and we are going to talking. We do.
DisneyBeans (18:16.755)
Yes.
DisneyBeans (18:21.546)
So I gotta say the only thing I like about him is his vibe. He keeps a clean river and he has a man bun. I mean, what more could you want? So he runs a tight ship.
Darien (18:31.598)
Mm-hmm. No, it is very good. He does! I love, he is, uh... Okay, so, uh, they...
DJ (18:33.542)
He is exactly how I imagine a lot of people with man buns.
DJ (18:41.733)
He tries to be calm on the surface, but he's very angry.
Darien (18:44.674)
He's very tense, this man is so tense. Uh, they, uh, the, our trio needs to go to this river to do a complete, uh, um, side quest on the path to the main quest. Uh, we won't say more to that on those details, but in regards to the river is the Alessian? Hold on. Ah. Oh, I just, this is where I'm bookmarked. This is not actually the, uh...
DisneyBeans (18:46.46)
Oh yes.
DisneyBeans (19:00.808)
Yeah.
DJ (19:07.43)
I listen.
Darien (19:13.186)
scene I didn't go back and bookmark the scene. Snakes. The River Allison, thank you. It's said to be the cleanest river in the world. And the, anything monsters bathe in it, the furies, yeah, furies, the furies bathe in it. And horned serpents. So they roll up and like, okay, well we'll just.
DJ (19:18.237)
River Ellison.
DJ (19:24.357)
Yes, so clean it can clean anything.
DJ (19:31.214)
Yeah, yeah, furious.
Darien (19:41.038)
Do our quest here, and, uh, Ellison is not jazzed.
DJ (19:44.329)
He's like, whoa, I got a system. Okay, snakes on Tuesdays. Yes, you guys jumping with your shoes on first of all, snakes on Tuesday, Monday or Tuesdays and Thursdays. Something else on Mondays and Wednesdays, something on Fridays, I straight don't remember. Demi gods never.
DisneyBeans (19:46.215)
Hahaha!
Darien (19:47.702)
You just jumped in with your shoes on? Mm-hmm.
Darien (20:00.192)
Yeah, um, um.
DisneyBeans (20:01.502)
It was like, it was definitely some kind of monster. The sass in it too, the way I was reading that, I was just like, wow, this man has never led a dummy god near his river, ever. And who is Percy Jackson to try? Okay, first of all.
Darien (20:05.043)
Yeah.
Oh, so old.
DJ (20:10.395)
Oh yeah.
Darien (20:13.158)
No, he's so mad. Mm-hmm. Yep. I- I found it. I found it. Uh, he is... Yeah, he's got a man bun with a... And it also describes as orbiting his hair was a tiny galaxy of weightless water droplets, centered on the black hole of his man bun.
DJ (20:18.178)
It's Percy Jackson, that's who it is to try, okay?
Darien (20:36.606)
What a look. Other than he just looks like a guy. I love the water genasi details of just the floating water around the hair. What fun. A granola, just a crunchy granola guy. So yeah. He says.
DisneyBeans (20:39.437)
Ugh. Yep.
DJ (20:40.005)
He's just a crunchy yoga dude.
DisneyBeans (20:44.238)
granola guy.
DJ (20:45.187)
Yeah.
Darien (20:49.946)
I ask for so little. Use the sign-up sheets. Whorin' Serpents are Tuesday, Thursdays. Furion, Furies, and other underworld minions are Monday, Wednesday, Fridays. Dimmy Gods are never! Take off your shoes before entering my waters. And above all, use only the lower pools! My headwaters are off limits! You've managed to break all the rules! I s-
DisneyBeans (21:13.318)
I mean, it wouldn't be Percy if he didn't break every single possible rule that there was. Yeah.
DJ (21:13.861)
Yeah.
every rule.
Darien (21:17.19)
Every. There is even a bronze plaque that says pool rules. It's just...
The most... This is... Oh, he cried in just taking mythology and making it so mundane. All of a sudden, you can picture you're just standing at your... You are 12 years old at your local community pool. And there's the pool signs. And the lifeguard is yelling at you because you broke every... How was I supposed to know? I was not allowed to have candy this close to the water. I'm not in the water. Why are you yelling at me? I'm 12. I can't breathe.
DJ (21:31.217)
mundane.
DJ (21:36.301)
At a spa. Fuck.
DisneyBeans (21:38.11)
Mm-hmm.
DJ (21:47.341)
I'm 12, I can't read.
DisneyBeans (21:53.082)
He does make it like very accessible for younger kids. And I appreciate that as an old lady in the fandom, because when I first read it, I was still able to understand everything. And I was like 13. So was that like 13 years ago, 14 years ago? I don't know. Something like that. So, yeah, many.
DJ (21:56.21)
Hehehehehe
Darien (21:57.71)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Darien (22:10.174)
years ago. Yeah. I love it. I think, yeah. The fact that there's just a pool rules plaque is just like, ah, that's funny. I don't know. I'm into it. I have no notes. He decides, this Ellison is like, let's see how long it takes a son of Poseidon to drown. He's like, well.
DJ (22:19.558)
Super funny.
DisneyBeans (22:29.19)
And this kind of freaked me out when I first heard that because of the son of Neptune, when he was scared of drowning and I was like, could this river be any different? And Rick Riordan just likes to give me a lot of anxiety. Yeah.
DJ (22:38.485)
No, it's water. He got over that fear quickly. The moment he got into water again and breathed, he's like, oh yeah, yeah. Right, right.
Darien (22:42.786)
He hung around through heroes on and off. I am a little surprised that, yeah, I'm a little surprised it didn't get touched on. Yeah, it's fine. Like for a moment, it would have been interesting to touch on it, but I think that the nature of like this book in particular is very much more like where the vibes are in Last Olympian versus where they are in heroes or trials.
DisneyBeans (22:48.284)
Yeah, oh wait, I can breathe.
DisneyBeans (23:02.092)
Mm-hmm.
DJ (23:02.917)
I think the fear of drowning got immediately rewritten by the trauma of Tartarus. You know? There's an entirely different dichotomy here.
Darien (23:09.122)
You know what? Bet. That's fair. We replaced it. Something went higher.
DisneyBeans (23:11.186)
Woo.
Darien (23:17.118)
Yeah, something else is on Maslow's hierarchy of fears.
DisneyBeans (23:18.094)
Yeah, and that could be another episode for me too because I just feel like nothing can top Tartarus, including Chalice, and that is the beef that I have with it. It's just like...
DJ (23:23.782)
Oh.
House of Hades is so strong of a book, like honestly. Hahahaha.
DisneyBeans (23:30.802)
It's beautiful. I mean, there's no other way to put it.
Darien (23:34.576)
Mm-hmm. Let's just, do you want to spend a couple minutes talking about vibes of Trials? This is the first time we've discussed it on the podcast. DJ, you were not super excited about it. Beans, you posted a video of you stabbing the box it arrived in. Space for both of you, space for both of you.
DJ (23:43.23)
No, I just I was about
DisneyBeans (23:48.406)
Yes. No, well, okay, so I was very excited that it was kind of getting revamped a little bit for, like I said, younger kids and generations to enjoy, but I feel like it didn't need to be written. And then he just recently announced that it was going to be a trilogy. So I don't know if you've noticed, but you start reading and you realize this is all just one quest and one letter for...
DJ (23:49.181)
Were you not happy about it?
DJ (23:54.819)
Ah, okay.
DJ (24:05.277)
Damn.
Darien (24:09.33)
Yes!
DJ (24:09.635)
Yeah.
DJ (24:15.37)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (24:17.866)
So I was like a few chapters in and I was like, wait a second. I was like, there's no way that this is all three letters. I was like, this is taking way too long. But like I said, I didn't think it needed to be written. And once you go to Tartarus, I just feel like you don't bounce back from that, the way he's writing Percy to bounce back from that. So like no traumas are discussed.
Darien (24:17.93)
Yep.
Darien (24:25.294)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
DJ (24:40.761)
I think if anybody can, it's Percy. I think Percy's bounced back from a bit, you know?
DisneyBeans (24:44.27)
Yeah, I mean, he definitely trauma blocked a lot.
Darien (24:48.002)
Yeah, and I was like, you have to just in general, like there are like in real life, like bad things happen to you and life does keep happening. So at one point you gotta be like, well, I'm just, I guess I'm gonna just keep going forward. And if I have to put all that stuff in a box and throw it in the river sticks, then I will. Which I kind of think it was first did.
DisneyBeans (25:03.069)
Yeah.
DJ (25:07.605)
I feel like Percy definitely would be the kind of person who would, when someone was like, hey man, you want to talk about Tartars? Or like it gets brought up somewhere and Percy's just like, hey man, I don't want to talk about that. Thanks.
Darien (25:19.79)
Mm-hmm. And I think that's fair. If that's not helpful in your recovery purse, you don't have to engage in it. And it's funny, because, yeah, because the day Chalice dropped, all of a sudden it's like, ah, Wrath of the Triple Goddess is the next one. And I remember, yeah, last year, when they announced Chalice was coming out, I was in the car with DJ, we were actually driving to the airport with our family to go to Orlando for that Disney World trip. And I'm reading the description.
DisneyBeans (25:20.39)
just shuts it down real quick.
DJ (25:24.198)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (25:35.811)
Yes.
DisneyBeans (25:46.43)
Yes! Funny how it works.
DJ (25:46.94)
Mm-hmm.
Darien (25:49.47)
Right, right, and I'm like reading the description of what the book is gonna be about. And DJ and I are talking like it's, okay, so he's gotta get three letters for that. Okay, this is gonna be the first one for, only the first one? So he's doing a trilogy. He's gotta be doing more than one book, right? Like obvious, and then all of a sudden he's like, oh, a twist. And we're just like, not a twist, Rick, we all saw it coming. Yeah.
DJ (26:01.221)
Yeah. It's like, oh, he's getting it from quest giver. He's getting it from quest giver. We only know one quest giver right now. Oh, yeah, it's obviously a Trilogy.
DisneyBeans (26:02.407)
Yeah.
Darien (26:14.062)
Mm-hmm. All right, that's all we'll say. Yeah, right. Fair, fair.
DisneyBeans (26:15.942)
Yeah, my context clues could not figure that one out. I had to be reading to figure that one.
DJ (26:22.129)
But I was pleasantly surprised by this book. Like I came in with like actually little to no expectations because I just haven't been excited for these books that he's been releasing. Like they've been good, don't get me wrong, but like Sun and the Moon or Sun and Star, and I'm just like, you know, I'm like a lot of people are excited about it. It's like whatever for me. It was great. I liked listening to it. As.
DisneyBeans (26:32.788)
Mm-hmm.
DisneyBeans (26:43.047)
Mm-hmm.
Darien (26:45.654)
You don't have emotional attachment to Nico and Will. You like them as characters, but they're not, yeah. They're not your faves.
DJ (26:49.109)
No, not particularly, yeah. They're not like there. They're not super strong, yeah, yeah. Now like Jason. Apollo. Percy.
DisneyBeans (26:51.594)
Hehehehe
Darien (26:57.561)
Aww, DJ.
DJ (27:02.361)
Yeah, but I very much enjoyed this one, actually. I had a very good time with it.
Darien (27:08.846)
So Brie, what?
DisneyBeans (27:08.894)
Yeah, I hope it starts to get really just down to the wire where he's almost scared he's not gonna go to new Rome. Like if he can't buy the third book, really get that letter of recommendation, I feel like Rick is gonna keep us on our, obviously he's gonna get to go, right? I mean.
DJ (27:23.758)
I mean, that's what it's going to be.
He had like what two and a half weeks to do this quest it's gonna get to the point where he's got three days The deadline is coming up Percy and you are not getting into new Rome without this thing The summer solstice
Darien (27:27.83)
Yeah, we've seen them. We've seen the road trip.
DisneyBeans (27:31.698)
Yeah. Right, and it always does this. And it's the solstice.
Darien (27:32.27)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Darien (27:37.522)
And it's the solstice! It's always the solstice. And I, meanwhile, have only read half of the book so far. So that will be the end. So that will be the end of our Chalice of the Gods discussion. Oh, except for Percy does get so mad when this got when Ellison is trying to drown him that he explodes the river and does clean it up very well. So.
DJ (27:50.18)
You had enough to talk about what we're talking about today.
DJ (28:02.042)
Dude, this is... The whole way they were talking about it too, it's just like, Percy busted and then like, oh man, I'm sorry about that. That was a little premature and it just left. Like, the way they're describing it and talking about it, I'm like, this is insane. The way like, what the fuck?
Darien (28:24.414)
I'm treated as such, but now that you say it...
DisneyBeans (28:27.318)
Yes. Yep, I could see that.
Darien (28:31.582)
Okay, now we're forcibly moving away from this conversation. So those are the three noteworthy river gods.
DJ (28:37.285)
Like, Annabeth is comforting Ellison, like, yeah, you know, it happens. Like, I'm sorry, man. But like, in person, sitting there feeling bad when he didn't do anything wrong.
DisneyBeans (28:44.126)
I'm too scary.
Darien (28:44.246)
With the herbal tea? Yeah, sometimes he's scary when he gets mad. I'm the person apologizing after this guy tried to drown him.
DJ (28:51.261)
Like, why am I apologizing?
Darien (28:54.426)
Oh yeah.
So those are our noteworthy river gods in the books. Let's swing into mythology territory. Anybody got any myth stuff they wanna throw up first before I just go through the notes?
DJ (28:59.025)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
DisneyBeans (29:13.023)
None. Not a thought.
Darien (29:13.566)
It's cool. No worries.
DJ (29:15.931)
Uh...
I mean, how are we structuring this episode? Are we just talking about any river god?
Darien (29:24.258)
Um, yes. Do you have a River God?
DJ (29:27.685)
I do, Yemoja from, oh what's her pantheon called? Yoruba.
Darien (29:34.23)
Wait no! No! Greek River Gods! We're sticking to Greek River Gods! Specifically... I was so confused. When do- okay. I guess we have- no! When have we ever!
DJ (29:40.349)
That's why do you think I asked in such a vague manner as the river gods in general?
DJ (29:51.849)
I just figured that there wasn't a lot for every.
Darien (29:54.598)
Okay, well specifically we are talking about the Potamoi, which is Greek for rivers. So, that's how we're structuring the episode, DJ. Yeah? Oh, no! Shut up! Stop! The Potamus. Alright, so.
DJ (30:06.274)
The Potamore River. Ha ha ha.
Darien (30:15.286)
Hesiod claimed, you know, in his theogony, claimed there were three thousand Potamui, and that they were the sons of Oceanus and Tivus, which also made them the brothers of the Oceanids, like Amphitrite and Thetis. And that each god was a river, like a freshwater river, or wait, what was it? Each god was a river on earth, and that they were all the fathers of all the freshwater Nihads. Like that's where the Nihads come from.
DJ (30:31.977)
Mm-hmm.
Darien (30:45.778)
Nereid is ocean, Naiad is freshwater. Yeah? Okay. Sure. Or maybe I'm wrong. Don't worry about it. It's important to note that 3000 isn't supposed to be taken as like, this is the exact factual number of all the rivers because named Potamoi, we actually only have 125 like that we can find in record. 3000 is more just a, it's meant to signify that there are so many of them. They are innumerable. It would like, we would say.
DJ (31:13.949)
There's an awful lot of rivers on this earth.
Darien (31:17.066)
Yes, more than 3,000, but 3,000 sounded like an awful lot when you were hanging out in Ancient Greece.
DJ (31:20.123)
Oh yeah.
DJ (31:24.357)
world seems so small back then.
Darien (31:26.958)
Mm-hmm. Quote from the Theogony, translated by Hugh G. Evelyn White. There are 3,000 oceanids, and as many, oh, there are three, there are 3,000 oceanids, and as many again are the rest of the Potomoy. Murmurously running, sons of Oceanus and Lady Tethius was their mother, and it would be hard for a mortal man to tell all the names of them, but each is known by those who live by him.
I just like that. Just the like, you can't name them all. But but you know, you know yours. He he's the river you live by. And I found something very like intimate and comforting about that notion that no, like mortals weren't expected to know all of them. But you could rely on the one closest to you.
DJ (32:19.485)
Boise River.
Darien (32:23.242)
What'd you say, dude? Oh, the river! Yes! We have... Stop doing the high thing! I don't know why! That's upsetting me so much for you to do.
DJ (32:24.433)
The river Boise. The river snake.
DJ (32:38.633)
It's our river names, just named like the river sticks, the river lethe.
Darien (32:42.519)
Yeah.
Darien (32:45.766)
Yeah, that's true. I never really call it. We don't call the sticks river or the river. Ellison. Yeah, I hadn't heard the river voice. Either the river snake, the river Hudson, the river East River. Well, because it's called the East River, because that's how Percy says Hudson and East River. Yeah. But it implies that it is the river East River.
DisneyBeans (32:46.673)
I'm sorry.
DJ (32:51.296)
Uh-uh.
DJ (32:56.037)
River East.
DJ (33:00.601)
Is it East River River? Well, yeah, because you can't just say East, right?
Darien (33:13.57)
So in art, the Potamoy, oh, you know what? There's one more River God we forgot to mention. And he appears in Mark of Athena when they're going across. He's the bullheaded one that Hercules has beef with. Pun not intended.
DJ (33:30.737)
Mm, right, him. The one whose horn became the cornucopia twice.
Darien (33:34.998)
Yes, he's also a river god. Yes.
DisneyBeans (33:36.391)
That's Piper's River God.
DJ (33:39.338)
Piper made that river got his bitch
Darien (33:42.695)
She felt so, oh she felt so bad about that. For real, for real? Like he was, I'm not saying he's not, but... Yes. I actually like the Cognacopia.
DJ (33:45.577)
Who cares? The guy was an asshole. They got like infinite good food. They got the cornucopia.
DisneyBeans (33:48.542)
Yeah.
Most of the gods are.
DJ (33:56.573)
threw a ham at people. That was awesome.
DisneyBeans (33:57.118)
And I saw, I have the graphic novel too, and I actually have it right here. Have you seen the drawings, the art in the Mark of the Theanographic? The Cortocopia is huge. It's so funny. I wish I could find it, but I didn't bookmark it. So I will pull it up later.
Darien (34:08.718)
No. What, I mean, I said makes sense.
DJ (34:08.745)
Mm-mm. I believe it.
Darien (34:17.694)
Oh my gosh, thank you. No, I haven't stuck with the heroes graphic novels. Are they worthwhile?
DJ (34:23.272)
graphic knob.
DisneyBeans (34:28.298)
I like it because you know little fan artists me and it's super easy to read but it's basically just like a Percy Jackson comic and You can see it here. It's literally for the people listening. It's Probably two and a half feet long. It's his biggest Piper's head. I Was not picturing something that big
DJ (34:40.765)
That's a big old horn.
DJ (34:46.393)
Well, it's gotta be pretty large to throw out a whole co-tam.
Darien (34:47.018)
It's like a... It's like a club. I... Yeah? I don't think... Like, I think Rick Riden was thinking like a table cornucopia, and then later on they were like, it has to be bigger. He's like, oh, shoot, you're right, it has to be bigger.
DisneyBeans (34:51.37)
But she carries it around everywhere!
DJ (34:55.001)
Sling it over her shoulder. I don't know.
DJ (35:02.777)
I don't know, it doesn't have to be that big. It could still be a table cornucopia just with a big old mouth.
DisneyBeans (35:06.662)
Yeah, like they could have scaled it a little bit down. They could have made some kind of riptide version of the cornucopia that just compacts down. Yeah, she didn't have to carry around the giant bullhorn.
Darien (35:07.806)
Yeah.
Darien (35:14.476)
That's true. It should have just shrunk into her hands. Yeah
DJ (35:22.129)
turns into like a megaphone.
Darien (35:24.766)
I... That would be so good!
So there are three different ways that the river gods, the Potamoy, would be depicted in ancient art. So the first way was as a man-headed bull, and I am dropping links to a couple old-timey vases with this art in it that you can observe.
DisneyBeans (36:25.902)
Wow. That is so weird.
DJ (36:26.941)
He looks so stupid.
Darien (36:30.256)
Mm-hmm. It's so weird. Another way you would see was a.
DJ (36:33.149)
But hey, that's the bull god, Achelous. That is him.
Darien (36:36.31)
That's, yeah, that's him, that's him. Yeah, that's the one that he sees a lot. Okay, you would also see a bullheaded man with the body of a serpentine fish.
DisneyBeans (36:37.773)
Yes
DJ (36:51.825)
It just looks like a horned man with a body fish.
DisneyBeans (36:57.318)
Oh wow.
Darien (36:57.426)
And then this is from a mosaic. Lastly, they would be depicted as just a guy.
DJ (37:07.937)
Euphrates! Euphrates nuts!
Darien (37:10.134)
Yeah.
No, Davis, why? You are misbehaving! You are out of control in this episode! My brother! I know.
Alright, so a note, okay, so these are the ways that they're portrayed. So Hudson, classic. Ellison, classic. The, uh, our bullheaded man DJ, as you pointed out, that guy. I don't know where Riordan got our looks like a seal dude. That one I couldn't find. The third example, is that what it's supposed to?
DJ (38:02.205)
What are you talking about? Got it from your third example? Ha ha ha.
DisneyBeans (38:03.561)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (38:06.802)
The serpent?
DJ (38:08.793)
or the second example, the serpent.
Darien (38:13.358)
Oh, maybe, maybe that's what he was going for. Wolfish face. You know what? Maybe he...
DJ (38:13.681)
The closest thing to it.
DisneyBeans (38:15.89)
Maybe Percy's just blind. Maybe he just...
DJ (38:18.289)
Yeah, right. It was the pollution of the water distorting everything that he could see.
DisneyBeans (38:22.606)
You know?
Darien (38:23.17)
Yeah, mm-hmm. I accept that as a headcanon. So, uh, no, so it's the... The bull description should be noted that it... It was like... This is supposed to be totally symbolic. Like...
If you like, if you saw a picture of some like powerful CEO and the image had like them holding the world in their hands, we would understand that as this guy is not literally so large, they could hold a planet in their hands. It is that they are so powerful. That is what the bull like imagery is supposed to communicate that they were the river is as powerful as the bull and also like the strength of the rivers and the sound of a roaring river. Like that's where the bull iconography.
is being incorporated into the river motif.
DJ (39:16.013)
Nice. Don't fuck around with water.
Darien (39:17.51)
Oh, there's the cat. Don't fuck around with water. We're going to extend this to canals. Don't swim in a canal. Do not.
DisneyBeans (39:22.1)
Thanks for watching.
DJ (39:24.687)
Don't swim in a canal.
DisneyBeans (39:26.955)
I side by that 100%. Don't.
DJ (39:30.206)
Her dad always said, hey, don't swim in a canal. If you're gonna swim in anybody, don't do that one. Don't swim in canals. You can get stuck at the bottom and the mud will keep you there.
Darien (39:33.034)
This is not the first time we have told listeners not to swim in canals.
Darien (39:41.754)
I had to wade into a canal to save my girlfriend's dog's frisbee while I was watching her because it was day one and the dog likes to swim in the canal and dropped her frisbee this expensive Kong frisbee and I had to wade in there to get it and I Was so upset. I didn't want to get in the canal, but I did Because I was watching my girlfriend's dog and I couldn't lose the frisbee on day one so
DisneyBeans (39:58.41)
Oh my goodness.
Darien (40:04.018)
Though the Potamoy were children of Titans, Poseidon was said to be king of the Potamoy, which classic. That tracks. They were also viewed as being protectors of the young. In another passage from the Theogony, she...
she being Tathys, brought forth a race apart from the daughters, who with Lord Apollo and the Potamoy, who with Lord Apollo and the Potamoy have the young and they're keeping all over the earth since this right from Zeus is given them. Not, I don't know what that means.
DJ (40:44.497)
What? Okay. Now that, that also goes to how you want a trials of Apollo to end where Apollo just starts enacting on him being the God of the young.
DisneyBeans (40:46.655)
Yeah.
Darien (40:55.559)
Yes, that's exactly what I wanted to have happen in Trials of Apollo. And look, it's there in the text! In the text! Yes.
DJ (41:00.961)
That's fair!
Gotta go through me if you wanna get anybody under 18, okay dude? Or just like, under 13 because that's when Greeks viewed adults.
Darien (41:10.427)
Uh.
Darien (41:14.11)
Let's not, let's not. There's another passage, I think, from the Iliad that I didn't.
save this quote. We'll talk about the Elayat more specifically in a hot second, but someone, I think it's Patroclus' father, promises to cut off a lock of his hair and give it to the river if his son is to return home safely or something of that. I'm probably not right on that, but there is someone being like, if X comes home safely, I will give my hair to the river. And that's supposed to be part of this tradition of rivers, gods being viewed as protecting the young.
which is interesting.
Darien (41:55.87)
Last, like, wild... So this is really what I'm just calling, like, the, the... ..hmm... ..roundup of just general river god details to, like, set the groundwork to, like, we understand where these, like, the ancient peoples would have been coming from. Some myths said that these rivers were actually the first kings of their given lands. For example, uh...
Iacus was the first king of Argos and Nihilus was an Egyptian river god whose daughters married the descendants of Iacus and then formed dynasties in Egypt, Libya, Arabia, and Ethiopia. So very important, like literally life comes from the river type concepts. So important. Oh yeah, super goofy when you need water to live.
DJ (42:31.843)
Nice.
DJ (42:38.897)
Rivers were super important in civilization. Goofily important, if you might say.
DJ (42:48.315)
Goofily important.
DisneyBeans (42:49.021)
Hahaha!
Darien (42:50.866)
Late antiquity would later retcon these stories to instead be about mortal kings who just named the rivers after themselves. Which I think is less fun, but alright.
DJ (43:00.476)
I would absolutely name a river after myself if I could. Come on.
Darien (43:04.474)
I'm not saying the naming the river after yourself is less fun. I'm saying being like well, they were gods who were rivers No, no, that was just a guy
DisneyBeans (43:04.659)
Hahaha!
DJ (43:12.765)
What are you talking about? They were like, kings are descendants of gods, don't you know, Darien?
DJ (43:23.678)
is congruent with like every civilization.
Darien (43:31.522)
Which stands to the point, they should just be rivers. Not just a guy. All right, I've got some roundups. Since we already mentioned him, let's go ahead and talk about the bullheaded, well, yeah, gentlemen, his name is Achialus, who is god of the Achialus River, which was actually the largest river in Greece. And...
DJ (43:59.719)
Nice.
Darien (44:00.738)
He lost a wrestling match to Hercules. Cause they both-
DJ (44:05.577)
Of course you did.
DisneyBeans (44:07.147)
I mean who won against Hercules? Did anyone in Greek mythology? Oh.
DJ (44:11.626)
Uh, old age got it as a draw.
Darien (44:15.808)
No, technically, Hercules' wife won.
DJ (44:20.965)
Hercules is right, but it was a draw between Hercules and the god of old age.
Darien (44:25.998)
What? No, so this was the wrestling match for the hand of Deon Aria, who, as a side note, Apollodorus is described as a woman who drove a chariot and practiced the art of war, which has nothing to do with River Gods or what this is about, but I just thought that was cool.
DJ (44:40.265)
Hell yeah.
Darien (44:45.482)
But yeah, so they both wanted to marry her. Hercules won, so he got to marry her. She got conned by a centaur later on and told that if she put the centaur blood inside Hercules' clothes, he would remain faithful for her. That's not what centaur blood does. So that's...
DisneyBeans (45:02.814)
Can you clarify what it does?
DJ (45:05.809)
Very acidic.
Darien (45:06.006)
um, k-kills you in a horrible way. That is who B Hercules is. Is Deonaria by accident? Uh, in, uh, which makes what the Stoll brothers do to Phoebe, like, real messed up. Cause it's like-
DisneyBeans (45:08.145)
Oh.
DisneyBeans (45:17.349)
Oh no.
Darien (45:30.578)
in the book it's like oh she's like they gave her a t-shirt lined with centaur blood and it almost sounds like oh she's experiencing like the way it's played off it's like serious but it's like poison ivy serious like oh a bat can't prank and it's like that's not what centaur blood does rick what the hell
DisneyBeans (45:49.615)
Maybe it was a different kind of blood.
Darien (45:51.082)
Maybe, you know, yeah, where did they get it? It was probably really watered down. It was Chiron’s! Which, yeah.
DJ (45:53.894)
It was good, guys, Centaur Blast.
DisneyBeans (45:57.114)
Yeah, if it was Chiron.
DJ (45:59.026)
Chiron's and the party ponies, you know, their centaur blood is the good guy centaur.
Darien (46:03.21)
It's super chill. It just causes a really funny rash. Like a really funny rash. So, are they shaped weird? Like it looks like cat whiskers? Like it's itchy, but you're fine. A little, yeah, an oatmeal bath and you'll be fine. So, it's epsom salt. All right, we've got,
DJ (46:07.388)
Yeah.
DJ (46:10.705)
Like it's blue, that kind of funny rash? Like it shouldn't be blue, but it's blue. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you'll get over it in like a day or two. Like it'll be, don't worry.
DJ (46:26.109)
A little Epsom salt, it clears right up.
Darien (46:32.158)
I want to tell a quick story about some three other river gods, Asterion, Saphissus, and Iancus. Yeah, no, I said it right earlier. And so they had once settled a land dispute between Poseidon and Hera. So in...
So this ancient geographer named Pausanias, who wrote a text called The Description of Greece, and he claimed that the Patamoi determined that the land belonged to Hera. And Poseidon was really bitter about this decision, so he made the waters in the rivers disappear for a time.
DisneyBeans (47:19.012)
Of course he did. Petty.
Darien (47:19.946)
Yeah. Yeah, basically. So this is an example of an analogical myth explaining why these rivers ran dry during the summer months. And I love that the geographer was like, so here's some rivers in this map and this description. And also, it's because they made the gods mad.
DJ (47:20.433)
Gone. You lose, you know what? You lose water privileges, bud.
DJ (47:31.477)
Nice.
DJ (47:40.477)
High tide, low tide, what's that? Bwaw.
Darien (47:45.479)
What? No!
Darien (47:49.586)
Ah, okay. So we've got another river, Evanes, and according to Apollodorus, this river god was actually not a child of Oceanus, but a son of Ares, and was originally a mortal king of Aetolia. And his daughter, Marpesa, was abducted.
And so, Evidence chose to rescue her, and when he fails, he throws himself into the nearby Ariver Lychromos. after this happened to this king, the gods took pity on him and rescued his daughter from the kidnapper, JK. They actually made him immortal and he became God of the River, which was later renamed after him. Marpessa? Don't know. Don't know what happened to her. Just didn't follow up on that thread. Probably not good.
DJ (49:24.495)
Sad.
Darien (49:29.518)
Alright, and so I got one more. And it's THE big one.
DJ (49:35.497)
Styx
Darien (49:37.506)
Uh, no. Because goddess. Not river god, not a potamoi. Well, technically, yes, because her father was ocean mo- Yes, true. We talked about Styx already.
DJ (49:39.785)
Hmm. She is a Potamoi. Yeah. So is the river Lethe, but she's not born of oceanus.
Darien (49:49.818)
Yes. So not her. Ooh, I do love that. Uh, no, this is, this is from the Iliad, aka that one time Achilles fought a river.
DJ (49:51.721)
She's born of Eris.
DJ (50:05.193)
No, wait, yeah, that's also in this article. Hold on, there's a drawing of it.
DisneyBeans (50:07.009)
That's...
Darien (50:08.026)
a whole ass river. Literally, the Iliad Book 21 is called the River.
DJ (50:16.061)
He's fighting Scamander. That sounds like a fucking futuristic JRPG protagonist.
Darien (50:18.026)
Yes, so skoom!
Darien (50:25.134)
Scamander, yeah
DJ (50:27.525)
Wait, wait, hold on.
Darien (50:31.746)
You wanna go find something?
DJ (50:33.025)
Oh, it's Newt Scamander from fucking... Hahahaha!
Darien (50:34.57)
You're think- I was about to say DJ, you're thinking of News Scamander? That's what you're thinking of.
Achilles is on a killing spree. Like, he's just killing a bunch of dudes.
DJ (51:22.609)
Talk it up, Achilles.
DisneyBeans (51:24.522)
Pffft
Darien (51:26.69)
uh... this is after patroclus has been killed so that's what here on my god it was a roommate and their mates
DJ (51:28.349)
Go off, they killed your close buddy.
DJ (51:33.361)
they were roommates.
DisneyBeans (51:34.42)
They were ruined.
Darien (51:40.466)
Then the swirling river, in a fury, spoke to him, taking on human form, and from his eddying depths called out, Achilles, you are more powerful than other men, more capable of doing dreadful harm. The gods are constantly protecting you, but even if great Zeus, son of Cronos, enables you to slaughter all the Trojans, at least drive them away from me. Perform your horrifying actions on the plain. My lovely streams have been clogged up with corpses. I cannot freely pour my waters down into the shining sea, because the bodies choke me. Yet you keep on killing more.
annihilating everyone. Come on leader of the troops, stop now, this is too much." And he said, Swift-footed Lord Achilles answered him, it'll be as you say, divine skirmander, but I will massacre these arrogant Trojans, not stop until I trap them in their city and fight with Hector man to man and see if he defeats me or I conquer him. And so Achilles does keep fighting but he does not do the thing that he was asked to do which is
DJ (52:16.957)
Get they ass. Get them Achilles.
Darien (52:39.982)
keep out of the river? And so he literally... Yes, literally, pool rules. No dead Trojans.
DJ (52:41.737)
I'm going to go ahead and turn it off.
DisneyBeans (52:43.883)
It's the golden plaque sign again.
DJ (52:50.478)
This is the event that created that sign.
Darien (52:54.046)
Yes. Oh no!
DisneyBeans (52:55.062)
Yeah, this is where Rick got it from, for sure.
Darien (52:59.171)
So he does jump in the river and the river surges with his shoes on, bloody sandals. The river surges, swelled and rushed against him, swirling and gathering his dreams together to sweep away the multitude of corpses. Okay, no, I'm just gonna stop reading.
DJ (53:01.853)
with his shoes on, mind you.
DJ (53:16.061)
Dude, that's a fucking sweet visual. A tidal wave that's just like red with corpses coming in and out of it. That's a sick ass visual. Oh.
Darien (53:22.026)
Yeah, yeah, it is. Next, it says, roaring like a bull, the river hurled them out onto the land. He saved the people who were still alive, hiding them under his lovely streams among the whirling eddies of his depths. Roaring like a bull. There's that bull thing I mentioned earlier. The rest of this, these rest of the pages of this book is...
DJ (53:37.757)
Hmm.
Darien (53:45.202)
Achilles fighting this river. I'm not gonna keep reading from this patches translation by Emily Wilson by the way game just uh Case that wasn't obvious that that'll be the translation that I'll be using from now on because it finally came out and I'm so happy to have it She's so good at translating things so that's it He just the river this river basically just about kills him if the Achilles has to call for the gods to intervene Like Scamander is not happy
DJ (53:56.612)
Mm-hmm.
DJ (54:10.497)
Yeah, right.
DisneyBeans (54:10.887)
I'm going to go ahead and turn it off.
Darien (54:14.97)
And that's incredible. Hey y'all, the Iliad is awesome. It's so weird and good. Yes, if it's actually like, yeah. I've gone on my things about the importance of a good translation and not trying to make your translation sound archaic, but yeah.
DJ (54:21.385)
The Iliad's a great read when not done in ancient English.
DJ (54:28.346)
it's readable?
DisneyBeans (54:30.696)
Right.
Darien (54:39.582)
They just really skipped over the part when they talk about the Illiad War, and then Achilles fights a river. The river asked him nicely, please don't pollute, and Achilles said, sure man, and then continued to pollute, so the river punched him in the face.
DJ (54:46.031)
Hell yeah.
DJ (54:58.121)
Kaylee's just sitting there with a black eye and a broken nose, like, you should see the other guy. The other guy's totally fine. Other totally fine.
Darien (55:02.929)
It was literally a river
Darien (55:07.89)
Yeah, I think as it ends, I think there's a point where Achilles does kind of start to one up the river and everyone's like, Hey, he's not supposed to be able to kill the river. Oh, no. Oh, and someone else gets involved. And yeah. So those are. There are other like stories of river gods. Those are the ones that I thought were fun enough to want to talk about on the podcast today. But that would be most enjoyable for our experience. And really.
DJ (55:15.168)
Wait, wait, hold on a sec.
DisneyBeans (55:16.813)
Yeah, reel it back in, guys.
DJ (55:31.817)
Understandable
Darien (55:38.07)
That's all I got.
DJ (55:40.211)
Hehehe
DisneyBeans (55:41.83)
Nice! I appreciate all the mythology behind it because honestly I am not super well-versed in like the Iliad and the Odyssey. I read it in high school which was a long time ago and what we read was ancient archaic texts. I didn't understand it. Rick Riordan didn't write it so...
Darien (55:59.93)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Not fun. Exa- You know what, Rick? Really should translate the odyssey. No. Uh-huh-huh-huh. Probably. I wouldn't be surprised. No.
DJ (56:04.465)
Yeah, right.
DisneyBeans (56:07.534)
Yeah, that's his next thing for Disney.
DJ (56:11.077)
talking about. That's just the fucking last Olympian.
Darien (56:16.642)
that the I think it's like when we like teach kids Shakespeare but like force them to read the plays instead of letting them watch a live performance of professional actors doing Shakespeare like it's so different it's
DJ (56:24.85)
Yeah.
DJ (56:33.872)
It's entirely different.
Darien (56:35.358)
It's so, and that's the, like, you can get a vibe by reading a script from a play, but especially when it's a vernacular that we don't speak, if you're not seeing someone who understands it give the emotion behind it, you just... Huh? Yeah.
DJ (56:45.925)
Wasn't it that they didn't even speak it in the time that it was written? They didn't speak the vernacular that Shakespeare wrote in the time that it was written.
Darien (56:54.506)
Well, I think they built it like... It was like a higher level, but it was like they got... they understood it.
DJ (56:57.273)
It was, it might've been closer, but it was still like more pompous. He made shit up like bedroom. Like.
Darien (57:02.622)
Oh yeah, yeah he was being non-s- he was being Shakespeare but it wasn't like... Yeah. It's like the Iliad, like what I just read. No one talks like that! But you got what I meant! So, that's my thought. Uh, stop... teaching- making kids read these scripts, uh... give schools more money to hire professional Shakespearean actors to come perform for them. That's how we should teach Shakespeare.
DisneyBeans (57:03.849)
Hahaha
DJ (57:15.196)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (57:28.374)
If I would have had that in school, I don't think I would have appreciated it back then either.
Darien (57:34.986)
You know what, that's fair. I would've, but I was a theater kid. Yeah, but you know, other kids are like, why are we doing this? I read Julius Caesar when I was in high school, and I'm like, I don't know. And then I saw it a couple years ago at the Idaho Shakespeare Festival, and I was like, oh my God, it's about a bunch of petty bitches who hate their boss. I love this. Look at them go, they ruined their own lives. Go, Bessie. Go, Brute.
DJ (57:35.905)
I appreciated Shakespeare Idaho Festival whenever they came to my schools. It was awesome.
DJ (57:51.854)
Oh, this beats ass.
DJ (57:55.986)
I'm sorry.
DisneyBeans (57:59.115)
Go bestie!
Darien (58:04.342)
You got it! You're making bad decisions, I love you babe! No but, okay, so now I'd be like, okay, actually before we do that. Hey, why are these guys all called gods? But like, nymphs and niads or stuff are just nature spirits.
Darien (58:30.326)
Low head shake from beans.
DisneyBeans (58:31.378)
They just... I have no idea.
DJ (58:32.381)
Huh. They're river goddesses, we know. It's the sticks and leithy. And they're scary, we don't talk about them.
DisneyBeans (58:37.184)
Yeah.
Darien (58:37.447)
Two of the under yes. Two.
DisneyBeans (58:41.246)
Do they have any kind of personification?
Darien (58:44.318)
We see sticks in Trials of Apollo. Mm-hmm. But just once. No, just like one time though. We eat like 15 books that we've... The fact that she didn't show up when Percy jumped in the river, like that's a missed opportunity. Mm-hmm.
DJ (58:45.277)
leaves. So yeah.
DisneyBeans (58:47.466)
So, yeah, that's my weak point. Yeah.
DJ (58:48.489)
She's awesome. She's great.
DJ (58:52.573)
And she's awesome. And she's rad as fuck.
DJ (58:59.813)
It might be, but it's like she's sitting there like, there's precedent. Ha ha ha.
DisneyBeans (59:00.403)
Yes.
Darien (59:03.422)
Yeah, no, but I think it would've been more, just like, it's her, like, to talk to Percy, like, hey, I'm under the water and it's burning, and she's there looking at him, just judging, like, you don't have the stuff, and then it's like, you see her expression change, and all of a sudden it's the memory of Annabeth, and that's where she's like, oh, you do have it, you're gonna be okay, kid. I don't know. I like the River Stix a lot. Like.
DisneyBeans (59:26.048)
It could've. Yeah, for sure.
Darien (59:29.426)
And maybe that's because I just really like the way Stix is portrayed in Girl Goddess Queen. HEY I BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN!
DJ (59:33.905)
Hehehehehehe
Darien (59:38.262)
Um, but yeah, I, the actual reason I think is sexism. That's why these river gods are gods and then they're not just considered a like nature spirit, a river spirit. They are gods.
DisneyBeans (59:53.254)
Maybe there's just more like nairids and naiads. There's like just too many. That's why there's spirits.
Darien (01:00:00.53)
True, but it's like Thetis, so she's an oceanid, but she's so often just called a Nyad, a Nereid, a Nymph, whereas her brothers are the Potamoi, and they are all called gods now. Whereas, historically, in translations, Thetis was referred, she was viewed as a goddess. But what I mean mostly is translation and reinterpretation has really downplayed the feminine nature spirits, whereas like...
DisneyBeans (01:00:09.394)
Mm.
Darien (01:00:30.634)
Dude ones still get to be considered gods. And there is a clear distinction between what we, when I say nature spirit and the nature god. And I'm just gonna call it out whenever I see it, cause men.
So that's my last thought I have. I could not find River Gods and pop culture to do for this segment.
DJ (01:01:12.049)
There's not a lot used, especially from the Greek mythology. I think the closest thing I might be able to pull is arguably Charon in Smite. Arguably.
Darien (01:01:16.479)
Yeah. I, uh...
Darien (01:01:26.146)
Yeah, but he's... Do they really incorporate him being with like, river elements or... Yeah? Oh, he's a pirate. Well, yeah, but Charon's on a boat. If he like, became water. Yeah. Okay, that's a little river gotty. Cause Charon doesn't summon the River Styx, he just goes across it.
DJ (01:01:30.873)
Yeah, yeah, and Smite? He's on a boat. He's a pirate on a boat. And he summons the River Styx.
DJ (01:01:43.258)
No. Everybody summons it here.
Darien (01:01:47.138)
pretty cool. Okay, I'll give you that one. For the yes, only cuz Styx lets him. Um, literally in the notes, I wrote they do have brunch on Sundays, and they talk shit about other cthonic gods.
DisneyBeans (01:01:49.287)
the theatrics of it.
DJ (01:01:51.16)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (01:01:54.346)
Of course.
DJ (01:01:55.657)
They're on good terms. They have brunch on Sundays.
DJ (01:02:04.393)
Charon sits there and just looks at Styx while Styx is just venting. She's got to get it out and Charon's just sitting there listening.
Darien (01:02:08.718)
She's the guy that said, hey, she's gotta get it out. And then she'll tell him the hot gossip about what people are, what their recent oaths have been. She's got all the tea. Don't drink it though.
DJ (01:02:18.295)
Yeah.
DJ (01:02:22.603)
Charon might be able to do.
Darien (01:02:22.99)
Uh, yeah, I bet he's fine. So in my notes, I literally wrote, cause I just, I'd never not had a thing. I wrote, once I created a river goddess for the Boise River for a Monster of the Week campaign I ran. She was awesome. I just needed a river goddess for her to, honestly, because they needed to put a different goddess somewhere else. So I was like, we can put her in the river. And it's like, oh, cause she was Lethe.
DJ (01:02:36.089)
That's great.
Darien (01:02:52.234)
Sorry, I'm remembering this campaign. This isn't fun for anybody. No, the goddess that needed a new home was Lethe. So they went to the Boise River and there was a goddess already living there, but she's like, yeah, she can hang with me. And then they were roommates.
DJ (01:02:52.721)
You made the Boise River Lefe?
DJ (01:02:58.714)
Oh, okay.
DJ (01:03:06.033)
Hehehe
DisneyBeans (01:03:06.719)
Oh my.
DJ (01:03:08.777)
Uh, the other one that's in Smite is Yemoja actually. And she's from the Yoruba. And she is mother of all Orishas, which I don't know enough about the Yoruba pantheon to talk about, uh, but she is, uh, often like she is, uh, she can cure infertility in women.
Darien (01:03:12.745)
Okay.
Darien (01:03:24.054)
Yeah, we should avoid that. We should just skirt. Be like, that's cool. Sounds cool.
DJ (01:03:37.425)
She cleanses and comforts children of their sorrow. Yeah. She's motherly and protective, and so she's like a big healer in Smite. Yeah.
Darien (01:03:42.023)
Aww, that's nice.
Darien (01:03:49.282)
I like that.
DisneyBeans (01:03:52.955)
What is smite? Is it like a game?
Darien (01:03:53.102)
What about- Oh! Hahahaha!
DJ (01:03:55.955)
It's a game that I play where you pick gods from different pantheons and just fight each other.
Darien (01:04:00.526)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a battle royale. What the? MOBA, thank you. Yeah, sorry. Thank you for... Honestly, thank you so much because we've just gotten so accustomed to like end What's Oye on the Smite that it kind of just, we don't explain what it is. And there are very likely listeners who started recently with recent episodes that are like, I don't know what it is. And at this point, I'm too afraid to ask. So, oh my God, thank you so much. Yeah.
DisneyBeans (01:04:01.888)
Oh.
DJ (01:04:04.689)
MOBA, Multiplayer Online Battle Arena.
DJ (01:04:14.185)
talking about it.
DisneyBeans (01:04:25.506)
Yeah, I'm not a gamer. So. Yeah.
DJ (01:04:27.985)
There's Google for you, fellas. If you search Smite, it'll come right up.
Darien (01:04:31.538)
No, if you're here in the conversation, it's fine.
DisneyBeans (01:04:34.106)
I hope so. And not just like the definition of it. I have to Google like, why did my podcast talk about Smite?
Darien (01:04:37.257)
Right. Yeah, that's also true.
DJ (01:04:37.993)
Let's just search Smite game then.
Darien (01:04:43.126)
Yeah, that was...
DJ (01:04:43.189)
Yeah, just smite game. Or smite and then insert God and chances are you'll find it.
Darien (01:04:49.762)
There, yeah, that'll do it, that'll do it. Yeah. Vri, can you think of any examples of, like, river gods or personifications from books, movies, TV shows, obviously not games.
DisneyBeans (01:05:04.218)
No, not in pop culture. I don't even have great knowledge of rivers because I have, you know, just a couple of rivers around me here in South Florida, and never once have I been like, yeah, you know what? This God would go good in this river. Like, no. It's just polluted and like. I it wouldn't it wouldn't work out well.
Darien (01:05:22.282)
Hi! There, yeah. Um, well, next!
Darien (01:05:29.838)
Aww.
DisneyBeans (01:05:32.99)
So I identify actually probably with like the Hudson River. It's being, yeah. Murky.
Darien (01:05:36.222)
Yeah. It's just cranky. Mm-hmm. Uh, I think for that note, since we don't have any pop culture, would anybody like to share their favorite river activity?
DJ (01:05:49.689)
uh... well i don't like once but to being down the river is a lot of fun
Darien (01:05:53.39)
floating on the Boise River is a class. You know summer has started proper when they open up the river for floating. It's a big part of the culture around here.
DisneyBeans (01:05:54.195)
Yep.
DJ (01:05:59.731)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (01:06:04.286)
So I guess my activity would be not necessarily going into the river near me, but there is a coffee bar downtown that's on the river. And I go every Friday night and sit down there and drink coffee and watch the sunset. And I'm on the East coast of Florida. So there's not a lot of places that you can sit and watch the sunset on the water, but this Marina is on like the intercoastal. So it's really cool.
Darien (01:06:09.942)
gonna say.
Darien (01:06:25.12)
Uh-huh.
Darien (01:06:30.35)
That sounds wonderful! Yeah, I was gonna say, um, you probably don't want to be getting into murky water in the state of Florida.
DJ (01:06:38.561)
No, that's got brain-eating amoeba.
DisneyBeans (01:06:38.938)
No, a lot of people do. Yes.
Darien (01:06:42.596)
also crocodile!
DJ (01:06:45.777)
Heck, you know crocodile.
DisneyBeans (01:06:46.282)
I think south of where I am, there might be some crocodile. Yeah, not exactly where I am. Just regular, yeah, alligators. Alligators are big. Yeah, through our rivers. The whole idea of a river, personally, I don't like the bottom of a river. I don't like the squishy, slimy feeling under my feet. Can't do it. No.
DJ (01:06:50.381)
I could probably survive a crocodile, but I doubt I could survive the brain-eating amoeba.
Darien (01:06:50.514)
Okay.
Darien (01:06:57.156)
Allergy, oh I forget, thank you.
Darien (01:07:07.56)
It's squishy! Yeah! It's not like sand in the ocean, it's difference.
DJ (01:07:09.257)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (01:07:14.278)
Sand in the ocean is 100% better than whatever is at the bottom of a river around here.
Darien (01:07:19.294)
Yeah, River Muck hits different and not in a good way.
DJ (01:07:23.041)
Yeah. I remembered a smite does have another river god because I was remembering one I couldn't remember his name. Hibwa, god of the yellow river from Chinese mythology. Yeah he's a very powerful mage. He has a skin for the Amazon which is kind of sick. Yeah.
DisneyBeans (01:07:25.373)
Yeah.
Darien (01:07:34.838)
Very cool.
DisneyBeans (01:07:36.607)
Wow.
Darien (01:07:42.294)
I like that. I think my favorite river activity is probably, I love paddle boarding and paddling on the river is really fun, but I really love, my girlfriend has a black lab.
big old water seal dog and I love going on walks with him by the green belt and then Melba the dog just gets to dive right in the river and just swim around and chase sticks and be just the happiest you've ever seen any living being just so happy in the water and then inevitably if it's nice my girlfriend will join her dog and be equally happy so that's my favorite river activity and I'm over here not dressed for that being like
DisneyBeans (01:08:12.177)
Aww.
DJ (01:08:15.281)
Hehehehehehe
Thanks for watching guys.
Darien (01:08:25.47)
I'm wearing tights. You look cute though. Gonna take a picture.
So with that, I feel like we've reached the episode's end. The mouth of the river, I think. Is that the end of the river? How does the river end? We're going into the delta. I don't...
DJ (01:08:38.277)
Yeah, I don't think I don't got any more.
Yeah, it's a mouth of the river. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
DisneyBeans (01:08:45.066)
usually goes into like a lake or just kind of
DJ (01:08:48.429)
The mouth is what makes it go into a lake or ocean.
DisneyBeans (01:08:50.222)
Yeah. Oh. Yeah.
Darien (01:08:52.527)
Okay, we've reached the mouth of the river, which means... Uh, hey Beans,, is there anything you wanna plug?
DisneyBeans (01:09:00.002)
You can follow me on Instagram, Disney Beans, all one word. I also have a small fandom shop where I hand make all of my merch. I have stickers, artwork, t-shirts, and the shop is disbeans.com. You can also follow the shop Instagram. It's just at disbeans. So I do a lot on social media and that's kind of my thing.
What started as fan art has now turned into this whole merch empire for mostly Percy Jackson.
Darien (01:09:33.506)
That's so cool. No, and it's quality stuff. Like I said, I have the shirt and it has held up so well. No, it's so good. Granted, I never put it in the dryer, so I think that's important too. It's like, don't dry.
DisneyBeans (01:09:42.642)
Oh, I'm so happy to hear that.
DisneyBeans (01:09:47.694)
You are one of the, you follow the instruction.
DJ (01:09:47.869)
That's probably super important.
Darien (01:09:51.458)
Don't try it. Not from, not from Beans. I bought it before I encountered your stuff and DJ's is faded, faded.
DJ (01:09:52.113)
Yeah, I have a Camp Apple a trait that's just the symbol. No, no, no. Yeah, the symbol is just it's bad. It's just not even there anymore.
DisneyBeans (01:10:03.267)
Yeah.
Darien (01:10:04.274)
It looks like DJ fought in the Battle of Manhattan. That's what that shirt looks like. He tried to talk to the Rivers and was not a son of Poseidon.
DJ (01:10:07.313)
Yeah, it looks like I fought in the Battle of Manhattan. And then the only the symbol got fucked up.
Darien (01:10:13.97)
It's so weird. But.
DisneyBeans (01:10:14.558)
course yeah so I use like heat transfer vinyl and so the dryer would not it doesn't do well in the dryer gets wrinkled so I'm glad you don't dry it
DJ (01:10:23.763)
Mm, okay.
Darien (01:10:25.258)
It also wouldn't fit me anymore. I'm a very specific body shape. And if I put any of my shirts in the dryer, they don't fit anymore. So twofold, but I would also say that like, if you're essentially the unofficial official Camp Half Blood t-shirt for the Ridenverse podcasters.
Like, I don't know if you were aware of this, but I think you wisely reached out to Lachlan and hooked her up with a code. She dropped that code in our Discord and that's how I was like, I need that. And that's how Robert's like, I need that. So there's like, other folks have different shirts that they bought prior. And that's like, fine. I have a few listeners, if you remember the picture from March when we were at the Empire State Building, a lot of different shirts, multiple
DisneyBeans (01:10:48.337)
Mm, yeah.
DisneyBeans (01:11:14.478)
Quite a few.
Darien (01:11:17.32)
happens if someone like buys a new one and it's not a dis being sure I'm a little bit like mmm but what are you doing that maybe it's just me but I'm like mmm but it's not oh interesting like it's just a little bit like but you know we have we have someone that we work with like you are aware that you know no I'll probably DJ's birthday present I'll get him the new shirt for his birthday he needs it
DisneyBeans (01:11:22.022)
No. Really?
DisneyBeans (01:11:27.818)
Oh, I love it.
DJ (01:11:28.945)
I'm gonna specifically avoid dispeens when I get a new one.
DisneyBeans (01:11:33.946)
Yeah, please do. I won't make you one.
DJ (01:11:36.594)
Hahaha
DisneyBeans (01:11:43.734)
Yeah, yeah, I kind of had like indirectly become friends with Robert on Instagram. And so I was like, hey, you're the one person that talks to all of the podcasters. And I was like, I can't reach them all. Yeah. So I was like, I was like, give them this discount code because I was like, dude, if there's a Percy Jackson podcaster and they don't have a t-shirt, they must have one. Like it's the rule. Yeah.
Darien (01:11:49.046)
Mm-hmm.
Darien (01:11:53.462)
That's right, it was Robert. That was so smart, it worked.
Darien (01:12:07.271)
I didn't have one yet. Yeah, I'd been so long. No, and honestly the disc I was like I've been wanting one was like I don't need one. I should have one. I bought one for DJ I'll wait and it's like oh a discount code, but no, that's great. And then I just flat-out like ooh metal beads I'll pay full price for these because I know they are quality
DisneyBeans (01:12:21.574)
Yeah, and you got in good because I realized once I had, I think I had to make close to 30 necklaces, which is way bigger than anything I had ever done before, that it was a lot more work than I anticipated. So you, yeah, well, so I'm gonna increase the price a little bit here with inflation, couple of sand dollars worth, if you will.
Darien (01:12:31.054)
It's so good!
DJ (01:12:34.057)
and it was worth.
Darien (01:12:38.626)
Good for you. I'm, yes, I'm glad, good. A couple, no, good. Way, way to be an artist and a creator who knows what you're worth. This means nothing. I'm proud of you. Good job. I know too many creators who, mm-hmm, too many creators undervalue.
DJ (01:12:39.726)
Understandable. I getcha.
DisneyBeans (01:12:51.262)
Thank you. I appreciate that. Seriously. So yeah, and I'm starting to learn that more. And especially with like artwork, I'm working on my first commission right now. And holy hell, I totally underestimated what the girl wanted. So I just my artwork is full background, full characters, whatever. And I kind of just did a fixed price.
Darien (01:13:15.755)
Yeah.
DisneyBeans (01:13:17.486)
Dude, I'm like five hours into it right now and haven't even got to the characters.
Darien (01:13:21.26)
Oh no.
DJ (01:13:21.362)
There's a there's a reason a lot of artists actually do like character line art $5 completely draw it out $10 background $30
Darien (01:13:28.046)
She knows that now.
DisneyBeans (01:13:28.906)
Yeah. So it's just I don't draw like that. Like I just I do full pieces of artwork. Like I yeah, I don't even have. So like you get something like this and it won't. Well, for the people that are going to listen to just showing my artwork, you get something like that. And it's it doesn't break down well price wise.
Darien (01:13:34.23)
Mmm. You just do the whole thing, yeah. You- So the thing is just charge more in general. You only do this style at- yes.
Darien (01:13:50.328)
Mm-hmm.
Darien (01:13:54.11)
Yeah. So you just have to increase. I know, so I got in the first round of the necklaces. You opened pre-orders again for the next round, right? Will those? And if you, okay.
DJ (01:13:56.135)
No, that's fair.
DisneyBeans (01:14:03.814)
I will in a few days, probably over the weekend. By the time this airs, pre-orders will probably be open and then they'll close after about a week, so.
Darien (01:14:14.714)
Okay, so do you think they'll still be opened October 31st?
DisneyBeans (01:14:19.05)
I'll make sure to have them open on October 31st.
Darien (01:14:21.055)
Okay, because I was gonna s-
Perfect. So if you're listening the day this airs or days around it, also within the week, there is a link to the show. Happy Halloween, by the way. There is a link in the show notes to, of course, all of Bean's stuff, but I'm going to drop a link to that necklace because I have it. It's stunning. I have it. I don't even have it in like a pile with all my other necklaces. It's hanging on my cork board with my pins. Like I have it up there so I can see it because it's beautiful. And yeah.
DJ (01:14:27.441)
Happy Halloween, by the way.
DisneyBeans (01:14:30.856)
Woo!
DisneyBeans (01:14:46.442)
Really? Oh, thank you. Yeah, I had designed the engravings on them and I kind of went with something that was like a little bit different for each one, but I ordered the beads custom and like the supplier will engrave them. So I tried to do something that was like super high quality and like a little dainty, not like the big wooden camp beads.
Darien (01:15:00.343)
Yeah!
DisneyBeans (01:15:16.03)
that everyone has, so.
Darien (01:15:17.494)
Yeah, it's very unique and I am so excited to wear them rock climbing. Because I always, when I do climbing costume things, I will do just camp person, camp half-blood stuff. So I'm super jazzed to have these beats that aren't going to clank around and get in my way. So.
DisneyBeans (01:15:22.45)
Oh yes!
DisneyBeans (01:15:31.879)
Love it.
Darien (01:15:32.062)
I cannot speak highly enough of Bri's work. It is so beautiful. Been waiting to get a Camp Half-Blood shirt or the necklace or anything like, for real, for real, y'all, you should go check out her stuff and get that. You should also check out our merch because we have stickers. We haven't mentioned it in a while, but we do have merch. It's on the podcast website. We also have a website. Yes.
DJ (01:15:37.629)
Whew.
DJ (01:15:50.205)
We got really cool stickers coming.
DJ (01:15:57.161)
Free shipping.
DisneyBeans (01:16:00.714)
I love it. I'll have to get stickers for my iPad because I...
Darien (01:16:01.406)
Except for the pins. Well, I actually what I think I'm going to do is I'm going to just make the pens more expensive and in the description note that shipping is included because even though they're really light, they are too thick to be in an envelope. So they are considered a package, which means shipping them is more expensive than you'd think it would be. So if you want a pen and you're wondering.
DJ (01:16:03.396)
I thought you took the pins down already.
I thought that's what happened with the pins.
DJ (01:16:18.764)
They're too thick.
DisneyBeans (01:16:25.77)
So it's probably five bucks for the smallest package. Yep.
DJ (01:16:25.826)
success.
something like that it's ridiculous it sucks ass
Darien (01:16:29.694)
Yeah, so if you're looking at, if you want to buy a pin and you're wondering why is it so expensive? That's why. But you can also buy stickers. At this point we should have the newest Bunker 9 Patreon art sticker, which are so, it's holographic. It's very cool. We don't make our own stuff. We don't have that skill set. We order ours from a website. So if you want stickers made by the person who made them, you should go to Disbean's. Yes.
DJ (01:16:41.074)
Mm-hmm.
I'm excited.
DJ (01:16:48.345)
Absolutely.
DJ (01:16:52.009)
Speaking of, can I get one of those Don't Be Like Zeus stickers for my water bottle? Great. Thanks for watching.
DisneyBeans (01:16:52.946)
Again, my stickers are very, yeah, my stickers are very specific to like my artwork. And then like, I have a couple basic cabin stickers, so.
Darien (01:17:00.834)
That's so good. Yeah, check it out, check it out. It's all there, I think. That's plenty of plugs for everybody to go around. Bri, thank you.
DJ (01:17:02.31)
Nice.
DisneyBeans (01:17:06.654)
Absolutely.
DJ (01:17:07.225)
Muses of Mytholgoy of Patreon! Patreon.com/musesofMythology. Do not forget go to our patreon There's a lot of cool stuff on there. Okay, very proud of a lot of shit on
Darien (01:17:15.21)
Yeah, you know what, if you... Yeah, if you actually set up a Patreon, we send you a thank you letter that has art on it. We also send you a sticker. Like, you'll get a sticker free. Just make sure you actually put in your address so I can send you something. The last couple of Patreons haven't. So like, do you... Hey, if you're a Patreon and you're listening and you never got a thank you letter...
DJ (01:17:30.237)
Some people just don't want stuff, I don't know.
Darien (01:17:33.894)
Message me on Patreon and we'll double check and see if it's because that information can be filled out. Um, that's all. Okay, we're leaving for real now. Bri, thank you so much for joining us. This was so fun. It was an absolute honor to have you.
DisneyBeans (01:17:47.21)
Thank you, Darian. Thank you, DJ. I had the best time on this podcast and I hope to be on more. I really appreciate all the time that you took explaining the myths to me. This has been amazing. Thank you.
Darien (01:17:57.974)
Yeah, absolutely, we will absolutely hit you up in the future for other myths and let you pick other fun things. We're gonna pivot to Norse mythology pretty soon, so a new frontier for us all to explore.
DJ (01:18:06.553)
Absolutely, it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm gonna play the God of War games this time for sure. The new ones which are in Norse mythology.
Darien (01:18:14.649)
It's a vow! Just like, I'm gonna read Song of Achilles before we talk about Achilles.
DJ (01:18:19.105)
I have a PS5, I should play Ragnarok on it.
Darien (01:18:23.782)
But you're gonna play Spider-Man instead. You are playing Spider-Man.
DJ (01:18:25.521)
I'm gonna play Spider-Man as well, but then I'm also gonna play... Yeah, at this point, when this episode is coming out, I am probably playing Spider-Man.
Darien (01:18:34.53)
Thank you all so much for listening. We will be back in your ears next week to talk about Prometheus. That's right, DJ reminded me that I used to do this so I'm gonna do it again. Until next time, don't be like Zeus!
DJ (01:18:47.281)
Don't be like Zeus.