Story 92: Adventures in Jötunheimr

 “That’s some Road Runner/Wile E. Coyote sh*t.”
 
DJ (he/him) takes over the episode, guiding Darien (she/they) through a land of adventure: Jötunheimr.

Other topics include Darien learning Frost Giants aren’t a Norse Mythology thing, another round up of Thor Adventures, comparing an Icelandic pagan poem to the Book of Genesis, DJ’s challenges to remembering which Edda Snorri wrote, and theories about why Loki really stopped being friends with everybody.

Spoilers for Thor (2011), Thor Ragnarok, and SMITE

Content Warning: This episode contains mentions of and conversations about death by drowning and physical violence. 

Wizards (Beyond) Waverly Place Bonus Episode available now on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/musesofmythology

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DJ (00:00.172)

Muses Mythology is a spoiler-heavy podcast.

That's an understatement.

Darien (00:18.862)

You're being a menace.

DJ (00:36.462)

Welcome to Muse of Mythology, a podcast where we explore how ancient myths have become part of modern pop culture through the lens of her friends Magnus Chase and the gods of Asgard. This is story 91, Jotunheim. I'm your co-host and podcasting muse, Darian Smart. Joining me is my co-host and brother, DJ.

How's everybody doing today? I'm DJ The Muse and I'm tired. I had a busy day today. Did a lot. I went to my ADD clinic and I worked out.

What'd you do today, DJ?

DJ (01:03.374)

Good job! Big day! for me. Busy day for DJ. Awesome. Well, congratulations. Let's muse about it in the garden for moment. Yes.

you

DJ, I went to a gala. Wonderful. It was very fun. Nice. They had a spread of food, like a fancy charcuterie spread with kebabs. Excellent. was in a nice hotel downtown and it was a gala hosted by Pride Foundation. They hosted a fundraising gala specifically to, I mean, raise money for the foundation.

nice.

DJ (01:41.262)

So Pride Foundation was founded in 1985 and is dedicated to building a better, safer, and more equitable world for LGBTQ plus people and our families in the Northwest. The work is guided by the fundamental belief that every person should be able to live openly, safely, and genuinely in all the communities they call home. Yeah, very good stuff. And dear listeners, you may be like...

Wonderful.

DJ (02:02.462)

Why was Darren going to a gay thing in September? Well, I'll tell you, dear listeners, because as my mug I bought this year in the month of June from Cole says, I am in fact queer all year. Now you can't see this, I'm holding up the mug. I really like this mug. But also, September is actually Pride Month in our city of Boise. Since pandemic, the Pride...

Why?

Festival got moved from June to September that year and then it's just been held in September So I got to go to the first I mean pride is in June. There's one in Canyon County. Okay. Yeah, they had they had their very first pride Boise and Boise has events like you'll have a But the pride fest is in September. So I attended this gala. It was very good

Wasn't there one in June this year though?

Darien (02:42.158)

Boise, Boise specifically.

DJ (02:52.198)

And I found out one of the chair members, because the foundation has members in it's all the Northwest. One of the chairs for Idaho was the one person who attended the Muse's panel at Boise Comic Arts Fest last year. That's awesome. we were like, do y'all want to hear this? And she's like, yeah, I do, actually. So we did the whole thing just for her. That's really cool. Shout out to Laura. I recognized me. She was like trying to figure out how she knew me. She's like, well, I she's just friends with Kelsey. Nope.

Bye!

Darien (03:16.366)

That's a way.

DJ (03:21.78)

She's like, remember you, you were at the LibraryCon panel about Laura Lempis. And I'm like, my God, you were the one person who came. Thank you. So on that, I was like, definitely gonna give him money. And I went ahead, I'm like, I'm gonna donate. This is gonna be the monthly donation. So dear listeners, you should probably know by now, but if it's your first episode and you're listening to the Muse Around the Garden, hey, thanks for listening. I know for a fact most of y'all don't listen. I know on good money most of y'all don't listen. And that's

I don't.

I don't listen to these parts on any podcast. you kidding me? 15, 15, 15, 15, 15,

neither

15 I got 30 30 30 30 30 but so every month we donate one dollar for every patron we have over on patreon to some organization doing a net positive in the world this month it's gonna be pride foundation we currently have nine patrons over on patreon so I donated money out of pocket raising that donation to $50 listen I was a little tipsy and they fed me good meat and cheeses so I was

Darien (04:15.96)

you

Darien (04:20.589)

I gave my waiter at Barber Koa on Sunday a $20 because he gave me a free drink.

Good, absolutely. That is exactly what you should do, DJ. Well done. So if you want to learn more about Pride Foundation, there will be a link in the show notes. Thank you so much to all of our patrons who help make these donations possible.

We appreciate you guys so much. And if you want to be one of those wonderful patrons, go ahead and go to patreon.com forward slash music mythology. You better believe it. We got a ton of content over there. It's so wonderful. have as much bonus episodes as we do real episodes. So that's twice the content right out the gate.

Imaginary episodes versus real episodes.

Bonus versus real, come on. It's like GT, it's not canon, okay?

DJ (05:02.695)

That's true. The stuff on Patreon is non-canon.

And then we even have remith episodes that we do once a month. We've been a little lacking on it, but you and we'll be doing every year we do a Muses 12 days of Musemus. Every year we do that. It's wonderful. We talk about, we talk about Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol and all of its iterations. All of them. There's so many and we do it for 12 days in a row. So 12.

I'm worried we did all the good ones up front.

We absolutely did it's gonna be some it's gonna be some stinkers this year. I'll tell you what but It's a Mega Man fan game

Mega Man game?

DJ (05:41.912)

We'll see. We gotta get out of here. All right, now back to the show. That's it.

Darren, I'm leading this one.

thank God, I didn't do any research.

I'm leading this one. We are talking about Jotunheim.

Mm-hmm. Y'all, you know how that episode I kicked back twice? I didn't want to do it so bad. I just didn't research it. DJ had to sweep it and save the day. And this is not just because I found out I'm actually going out of town to an out-of-state wedding this weekend. See ya.

Darien (06:07.948)

Really hate to it. You didn't find it out. You opted in and then you delayed.

I opted in and then got the weekends confused.

I feel that but we are going yeah we're going to be talking about Jotunheim and as with all Norse things boy howdy there's really not

Yes.

DJ (06:27.83)

Not a lot, huh?

You know, there's a lot to do with Thor.

Mm-hmm. I hear that.

And that's almost exclusively all that Jotunheim is involved in. Jotunheim is referenced a few times when it comes to like characters and I didn't write those characters. Did forget to write those characters out because most of time it's like a daughter born of Jotunheim. This person of Jotunheim.

Interesting!

DJ (06:46.542)

Okay.

DJ (06:54.862)

There there does I did in in previous episodes and during research this seems to be a lot of Daughters of giant

I pulled up a PDF. I found a PDF, Controlled F Jotunheim. It showed up 19 times in both of them. That is how I knew me as.

And that is that is

I've never thought of getting a PDF and control F-ing to figure out exactly how many times something is mentioned. But that's so good. And I almost want to go back and be like, and how many times is Hell mentioned? And how many times is Hell mentioned?

Exactly. I couldn't find the exact translations that you had. could find I found a PDF, but it didn't let me control F things in it. It was just like an actual picture of the books. Like, I don't need that. But I clicked through them and it really was just this person of Jotunheim or Jotunheim cries during or all of Jotunheim cries out during Ragnarok or just some like stuff like that. Yeah. But as I said,

DJ (07:49.742)

That's a cool passage.

Thor goes to Jotunheim. A lot. In fact, it seems that he just kind of patrols Jotunheim.

live.

DJ (07:59.246)

Interesting

goes through it. I mean, he has like certain quests every now and again, but for the most part, it really does seem like he walks around Jotunheim and then interacts with people.

interesting i have a question about what is it

It's, you know, for the most part, it seems to be like an actual place in Norway. Fun fact, there's a mountain range called Jotunheim in Norway. It's a very beautiful little valley.

Is it called Jotunheim because of the Eddas or does that name predate the popularity?

Darien (08:36.204)

I imagine because of the edits, all the, I mean, I didn't look into that. The translation, another translation I found called it the giant land. Actually, it's this one here. It calls it the giant land.

the one we've got? Yeah.

It says Giantland instead of...

The pro-etta or the poetic-etta?

which everyone snore wrote.

DJ (08:55.138)

Snorri wrote the prosetta. Great. Hey DJ, huh? I'm not trying to test you. I'm really not. No, you're fine. Go ahead. I Feel like at this point in this run of episodes. You should know which one Snorri wrote

You know, the problem is, is when you describe them originally and when you said like, yes, snorri wrote this because he wanted people to be able to write in style of poetry of this. Yes. And that my brain immediately clicked poetic at a. And so it's been very difficult to unlink that. And so it's like, kind of know, know, like logically it's not the poetic at a, but it's also then it's like.

Okay.

DJ (09:27.22)

Okay.

Darien (09:39.298)

when you're just kind of like talking and verbal vomiting sometimes, you'll won't catch it and then you'll try to stop yourself and be like, which one was it again?

No, that's fair. That is, no, that's okay. That's totally fair. You're right. I did say that and I do say that a lot. So of course, if you're not the one holding these goddamn books every week, it's like, no, no, poems, but not the poet, he didn't do the, and that's true. It's the one with the pro.

He wants to teach people to write in this style of poetry, but it's not the poetic edit, it's the prose edit that he wrote.

Yes, he didn't write in-

The poetic etch-a is the poet- poetry of it.

DJ (10:14.71)

Yeah. Hey, hey, hold on. Did Sonoi write any poetry?

I mean...

In the ad-a! In the pros ad-a!

You wrote it. Or you read it. Yeah, yeah, but it's okay. I just read the Udgard Loki pass. Yeah,

Yeah, I'm excited to hear about that. I'm just, I'm just, it's, it's occurring to me. There are a lot of, the pros at it is Snorri writing down these stories so you learn them. And then he'll cite little verses from poems and we'll know what the poems are from. But sometimes he'll just have a verse. I wonder what the scholarship is on whether or not those verses that we don't have from anywhere else are like from Snorri. That's not a groundbreaking theory. Surely that's something, but I don't

Darien (10:59.406)

I'm sure somebody's thought.

I'd be so interested to know what the consensus is on like we these are like poems and they're not cited so we don't have the source anymore and it's like was snoring the source was this him being

Did he write these or did he read these, transcribe them, talk about them, and then write another sort of passage?

Yeah, I don't know. Okay, moving on. So, Jotunheim, it's one of the realms, land of the giants.

Moving on.

Darien (11:23.426)

Land of the Giants. does in. It's not I couldn't find a specific like an actual description of Jotunheim. Yeah, again, all 19 of those references that I clicked through. None of them was like a description of this land.

Yeah, okay. Because that's

And maybe there is a point in time where they describe Jotunheim without using the word Jotunheim as like the land of giants. And maybe I should have searched at land giants or giant land or something like that.

Cause they're also called frost giants. Or is that a marvel thing? Okay, okay.

That's a Marvel thing actually. Marvel? Everything. The weird thing is like Jotunheim, I do think like I have the feeling that it's cold and again that's probably because of Magnus Chase and I'm sure other things and maybe even Marvel because they do call it Jotunheim.

DJ (12:16.536)

They call it Jotunheim and it's where the frost giants live.

But I can't find much of it. I know it's cold, but it's also foresty, right? I wouldn't consider Marvels to be woods.

Yeah, it's woods

DJ (12:29.516)

No, it's just like a dead ice point.

Definitely niffleheim that they were trying to do.

wondering too, is it just getting conflated with Niffle?

I think it gets conflated with Niflheim a lot because they're both cold. They both have giants, right? So I think it just gets conflated a lot. I did see that Scotty resides in Jotunheim. I thought she was in... I thought they had wound up in a Niflheim in the Ship of the Dead.

Yeah.

DJ (12:52.439)

Yes.

DJ (12:59.512)

Okay, that's what I was trying to remember too. She, cause she is in, she's the giant and she is associated with skiing. And this was actually one thing that do you want to talk about Scotty?

I actually have it's a Thrimheim Yep, Thrimheim. So Scotty is a giant. a giantess. I have I even read it. I read this. She helped overthrow.

The person who was like in charge of Thrimheim or no? Damn it. I should have written down names, little more names. In Jotunheim, there's a couple of key locations. One of them is Thrimheim, the castle that we see Scotty at.

Okay.

DJ (13:42.732)

Yeah, it's the Thun- no, not Thunder Castle. It is Thunder Castle. Okay, thank you. I keep thinking Thor's house is Thunder Castle. You understand.

Thunder Castle.

Darien (13:51.03)

Yeah, no, it is Thunder Castle and the leader of not the leader the head of that castle. Let me find his name real quick. I think it's Fiazi. Yeah, the leader that was Fiazi and that is Scott Scott his father Fiazi kidnaps Edun who has the golden apples. In order to well get a golden apple from her.

Okay.

DJ (14:14.199)

Okay.

and all the Acer guys like, that's fucked up. We need those to be immortal. Thor, go over there, fix it.

Thor go

Not what this episode is about. Gotta circle back. The Aesir have golden apples that make them immortal? Okay. an apple a day.

I keep them youthful at least. So maybe they don't keep them immortal. Maybe they can just live forever, but they just become old. And they don't like being

DJ (14:44.994)

Well, yeah, it's rough.

You know, I would appreciate... I wanna make sure that it is Thor who went and rescued her.

Edun's the wife of Braggie. Not what this episode's about, but... Yeah. No, this was Loki who brought her back.

He's a poetry guy.

DJ (15:04.972)

Yes, because I talked about that in the Freya episode because he borrows Freya's feather cloak to go get her back. I'm lucky he was friends with everybody.

Because Loki gets your

Darien (15:15.438)

Yeah, I know, right? Crazy.

It feels like something happened, right? Like something had to have happened.

Yeah, Loki was just suddenly kind of a dick.

but also, also speaking from personal experience, maybe something was brewing the whole time. Anyway.

Maybe.

Darien (15:36.14)

Maybe his insults just got a little too personal that one time and like, bro that wasn't cool, and then he wasn't sorry about

Yeah, just not apologetic about overstepping that boundary. Yeah, that would deteriorate. You'd be like, OK, no, I see what you're really like now.

Theazi went to go recapture Edun and he died. He got murked, let's see here.

By how?

He got murdered!

Darien (15:59.704)

So he was chasing after Loki and the Assyria gods all built like this big fire pyre. And right as Loki was running away, heading towards this, he flew up away from the pyre. And as the Assyria was chasing him, he couldn't stop in time and ran right into it and.

Okay.

DJ (16:06.798)

Okay.

DJ (16:19.576)

That is some Road Runner Wiley Coyote shit.

Yeah, actually, it's really funny. Anyway, Scotty inherits it after him. And then Scotty obviously gets her Norn stuff.

Yeah, so Scotty, Scotty, wait, is this why she's allowed to pick a God to marry? Is it like, yeah, so we did kill your dad. So to make good, we're going to give you a husband. Cause that feels like in line with the whole, you know, blood oath, legality agreement.

I'm double checking.

Darien (16:50.862)

Yeah, that's actually it. If Yazzie dies and Scottie's like, I'm going to go to war with you guys. And they're like, wait, hold on. We'll let you marry a god. Political marriage, but you've got to do it based on feet.

really? Yay!

DJ (17:00.646)

You know what? maybe is that why the divorce is so amicable? Because it was just a political marriage for the jump?

I to live by the sea. like I don't live in your fucking mountain. It sucks. All of this sucks. Yeah,

I'm a big fan of Scottie, think. I really like her.

Scotty's great. She's a lot of fun and and smite. A lot of fun.

God damn it. I got jump scared. just got jump scared by Smite in my own goddamn podcast.

Darien (17:36.302)

She's got Calder with her and Smite. She can summon the dog. Yep. I'm a big... I actually really dig Scotty and Yorn's kind of wistful will they won't they in the books. Because it's it's like Norn's like, Scotty was a bit of a firecracker, but her castle just kind of sucked. And Norn's like, or Scotty's like, Norn was a really cool dude and he had beautiful feet, but his fucking sea castle sucked.

That's very good.

Darien (18:06.104)

Yeah.

I also think he still sends her flowers. I think she's like, it's so annoying. But I think it is. She's very touched by the fact that.

I think so. think that was a good

Darien (18:17.038)

It's really fun.

is that I don't think that- I keep saying they got divorced. I don't think the word divorce is ever actually said. They just don't live together.

No, just broke up. never say divorce, I think that could also be

Maybe they just broke-

Also, maybe just don't live together. It's a very modern arrangement. They're still married. We would have to do a deep dive into the social norms of the Nordic people. Absolutely. I think it's probably an amicable divorce is what we're meant to read into here. But I think a retelling in which they're still married but just don't live together would also be totally acceptable.

Darien (18:35.831)

Yeah, but

Darien (18:53.358)

That's it for Thrimheim. That's what I got for Thrimheim specifically. Next we actually have Mimir's Well is in Jotunheim. It's in Jotunheim. Mimir's Well is in Jotunheim.

I'm sorry, it's in Yotun? Mamiers? Well? That seems like the wrong spot for it, go on.

It's beneath one of the routes and specifically the route that passes the route of Yggdrasil and specifically the route that passes through Jotunheim. It's beneath there. right. Also, the location for Jotunheim is actually on the same level as a Midgard when it comes to the World Tree.

Yeah.

DJ (19:29.886)

Yeah, because that's why Thor has to keep the giants out of Midgar.

Yes. I can't, there's a third one. There's three on each level. There's three below Midgard, two with Midgard, know, three including Midgard and three above Midgard and above Midgard. believe it was Asgard, Asgard, Alfheim. And I want to say, I think Vanaheim might be with, with Midgard. I can't remember.

Vanaheim would make the most sense, I think. OK.

Hate to see it. But regardless, there's wherever if somebody can find it, send it to us. Let us know in our discord. you're on our Patreon on X, if you, you know, follow us.

Somehow.

DJ (20:23.512)

Follow DG for his breakfast adventures.

or Instagram if you follow us there.

Follow us there for Darian's lip sync videos.

Absolutely. But Mimir's well, and it's obviously the one that Odin goes to, talks to Mimir, he's like, hey, I want some wisdom. It's like, you'll have to pay a price. Odin plucks out his iron, gives it to him, and then he can drink from his well.

Okay, we're gonna dive into that in the Odin episode. We're gonna really unpack that because what the fuck?

Darien (20:47.426)

episode. Yeah, that's when the episode when everyone again, Jotunheim seems to be the location people go to do a quest and then go home.

Oh, that's so interesting. OK, OK. Yeah, it's just because Midgard is what we talked about in the last episode. That is essentially civilization. That is the boundaries of your known world. So if you want to go on a quest, you go on an adventure, you go into the unknown, where maybe there are giants about. Maybe there's a well where you can gain knowledge. Like, this is not your home, so it's in Jotunheim. Yeah. Because hell is where the dead go. Musfelheim's too hot.

and Asgard and Vanaheim are for the gods. Interesting.

Yeah, mean because it's like then you also have So there are four named locations. I've already giving you to Trimheim and Mimears well, right that has a name. I can actually pull that up me miss Brunner Me miss Brunner Mima spruin there Yeah, that's the Norse word for me me as well then you have another named location

I'm sorry, say that again. Okay.

DJ (21:59.79)

I love a named location.

It's called Vimir the Vimir River Thor has to cross it on his quest. I don't remember exactly. I think he's just I think he's again I think I'm pretty sure Thor just patrols Jotunn.

Yeah, just walks around and make sure no one's up to any shenanigans.

pretty much and so he's crossing the Vimir River and as he's doing so a giant named Galp

Great name.

Darien (22:29.016)

pisses into the river to try to wash him away. This is a plan. is she is doing this. she changes.

This complete- Everything I was picturing. Wow.

He uses stones to help anchor himself and block the waves so that can actually get across and eventually kill Gale.

seems fair. That seems fair in this situation. Yeah, if someone tried to pee into a river to drown me, I think I also would have to resort to violence.

And that's Vimmer River.

DJ (23:14.786)

Got a name just so we can tell a story about this one time this giantess tried to drown Thor in urine.

Yep. Yep. And then the final location is Uthgaard.

location. Hey, Oothguard! A Loki lives there!

Yeah, Utgard Loki lives there and Thor on his way there to... For the life of me, can't... We'll get into all of Thor's reasonings and goals in the Thor episode. But we're not here to talk about Thor. We're here to talk about Jotunheim. Yes. Who Thor has a lot to do with.

Earlier you were telling me that it does seem like 90 % of when Jotunheim is mentioned is just because Thor is doing a thing. Yeah. Thor had an adventure. couldn't happen in Midgard because we know everything in Midgard. This is the normal place where everything lives and is our civilization. So in order for Thor to have adventures, has to be in Jotunheim.

Darien (24:07.982)

Yep. So he's just traveling around Jotunheim. He meets a giant called Scrimmere. And this giant Scrimmere is a, what is it? He's just unfathomably large. His food bag is so massive that Thor cannot untie it.

Okay.

DJ (24:27.788)

He's trying to run.

No, because he started to travel with him for a little bit. so I was like, let's combine our food rations. And so he puts his food rations into Screamer's bag. And Screamer's like, all right, I'm going to go lay down for a bit. You keep watching. Help yourself to food. Make some food. He's like, yeah, OK. And Thor can't for the life of him untie this fucking bag. He is trying so hard.

I thought this was a...was it a trick?

He's trying so hard to untie this bag. Eventually he goes and he's like He's he starts to try to kill Screamer I Don't know he goes up to Screamers forehead he's like, alright I'm gonna hit him and so he hits him on the forehead with his hammer as hard as he can and Screamer wakes up was like did like a leaf just fall on me. Thor what's good? You get like food you're ready to settle down Thor's like yeah, I'm ready I'm gonna go to bed here shortly

That's gonna open the bag.

Darien (25:23.374)

Uh, it's like, all right, wonderful. And so he lies down, goes back to sleep. Once they'll realize that he gets back up on him. He's like, all right, let's try it again. And he slams, tries to kill him again. And every time it like a squirrel must've just dropped an acorn on me. What's Oh, Thor, what's up? We almost ready to go. It's like, no, just a little longer. Continue. I was like, yeah, okay, cool. It goes back to sleep and Thor's like this motherfucker. And so he like really winds up and tries his best to do it. And he slams like, Oh, he has a stick.

must have just like walked me on the head a little bit. Thor, what's good? look, the sun's coming up. Let's, let's go ahead and continue our adventure. They go a little bit and he's like, all right, I'm out. Utgard castle is like right up that way. Be careful because you know, Utgard Loki is kind of like a, he's not that great of a man. So he walks off and Thor's like, okay, whatever.

I guess that's the end of this encounter. He never got his food back.

Yeah. I assume at some point, because I didn't read him getting his feedback, but I imagine it was like an offscreen thing.

whether it was a con to steal Thor's poop.

Darien (26:30.786)

Right. So he ends up in Utgard Loki's castle. Utgard Loki's like, great. The mighty Thor is here. And Thor's Utgard's like, you will have to in order to get charity, there's a contest.

Yeah, the contest and we talked about one of the ones where he's like almost tricked into lifting the world serpent. Yeah

almost tricked into the lifting the world serpent. It's funny. He lift the world serpent up to the sky.

Win!

That's that's what ookard Loki tells him after when he's like revealing all the tricks that he did He's like, yeah, dude, we were worried because you did lift him up to the sky

DJ (27:06.21)

Right, couldn't lift the cat, but in actuality was lifting the worm. As I said cat, my cat literally leans so far, like she was like, me? But no, she was just losing her balance.

Little serpent up to the sky.

Darien (27:20.64)

yeah, but all of the contests in order is Loki steps up. He's like, I can eat faster than anybody. Loki, Loki. So Loki, Thor, Thjalfi and one other girl. I don't remember her name are there. The girl does not participate. Okay. Couldn't tell you why she just doesn't. But yeah, Loki steps up. He's like, yeah, I'll, I'll do it.

Wait, Loki, Loki or Utada?

Darien (27:50.254)

I can eat faster than anybody here. And he's like, great. Here's Logie. He'll be your opponent. And look, he's like, cool. And so like they bring out this big long trough and Loki goes and he starts eating.

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Is Thor not participating in this contest? Wait, wait, wait.

Not this one. Okay.

There are five different things that happen.

OK, OK, I'm sorry. I'm just I just I had you know, I'm coming with some preconceived notions and I'm realizing that's incorrect. I'm just shocked that Loki was here and also was he hang out with Thor this whole time? OK, that's what threw him. He was just at the party and I'm like, why is he? Is this OK that this is the scene from the Magnus books? Yes. OK, go on.

Darien (28:27.118)

He's been traveling with Thor for a bit. No, no, he's been traveling with Thor, yeah, sorry.

Darien (28:38.616)

So Loki, he's he's consuming the meat real quick. He's just eating everything. But, but Logi is in fact eating the food, the bones and even the trough. That's a lot. It's crazy.

Good

DJ (28:53.868)

Nathan's hot dog eating contest a lot.

It's crazy. Yeah. So Utgard Loki was like, yeah, you just couldn't eat more or faster than Logi. You hate to see it. Theophie steps, he's like, I can run faster than anybody here. And so Utgard is like, okay, how about you try to run against Hooghi? And so Hooghi steps up and is just quicker than a whip. Just so fast before Theophie could get like a quarter of the way. He's already done and almost back.

Like it's, it's, it's bad. It's not even close. do three different.

Olympics this year where everyone was like a hundred meters back from the the winning

Yeah, and they were they did three different tries and it was just worse and worse every time Okay, really hate to see it Thor then steps up and says he could out drink any man or he cannot drink anyone and so Oud cards like alright. Well, here's a goblet or like a horn that like Like it's impressive if you can do it in one Everyone here can do it in two and if it takes you more than three then you're

Darien (30:02.382)

You're a chump. You're a punk. Thor's like, OK, let me give it a try. And he starts to drink and drink. He's this big old massive gulp. And then he puts it down and just barely any has come out of that horn. he's like, and Udgard Loki is just like taunting him this whole time. He takes another big old drink and he's just like just trying to get it down. And he puts it and even less is gone. And Udgard's like, well, if you can't do this next time, then you're just, you know.

You're not as good as anybody else. Thor's like, and he takes the biggest gulp he can and just like, yeah, again, just a little bit gets reduced. And then we get, and Uk'arlo is like, you hate to see it, dude. Rough. And Thor's like, well, I can lift anything. He's like, why don't you give that cat over there a try? And the cat is Jormungandr, could barely get it off, get one paw up and yep. And Thor's like.

What the hell is this shit all about?

I think it's a gray cat too if I remember correctly. I'm just looking at my gray cat hanging out in the bed. Look at it.

Something like that,

Darien (31:06.67)

And Thor refuses to admit defeat. He's like, well, I can wrestle anybody here. And he's like, all right, well, let's go up against Ellie over there. And it's just like this old woman, right? And he struggles. I think he manages to get Ellie, no, Ellie manages to get Thor down on one knee, but no further. And come to find out, obviously, all of this is a trick.

All of it, even scrimmier. Scrimmier was a trick. It was Utgar Loki the whole time. The whole time? The bag was wrapped in iron wire. And every time he got struck in the forehead, he actually had pulled a mountain to take the shot for him. Leading up to the castle, there are three flattened mountains. It's like, I'd have died if he actually hit me, bro. That was horrifying. It was scary. Like, it was ridiculous.

I obviously knew it was all tricks because I like read the magazine. I did not think that the first guy was also

It was all part of the tricks.

think the bag is kind of implied. Ugh, that's so fucking good. Okay, okay. So the first thing was all mountains and there was, there was, see? He doesn't get his food back. It was a con the whole time.

Darien (32:09.934)

But he was treated well after the competition. Yeah, he was like he got the hospitality He got like a bunch of like he got served well drinks all around every it was a big old party in the morning Utgard was walking about was like, all right, it was all a trick Logie that was actually fire. It was just burning everything was burning But yeah, Logie was just fire just outright fire just burning and eating all of that you'd like

to be something.

Darien (32:36.342)

Loki was impressive. Yeah, he definitely would eat like I'd eaten anybody in that building, but it's fire. Hoogie, the runner, was actually Ukaard Loki's mind, which is just quick. Quick. cannot, no man can outrun a, yeah. The horn, the other end of it was attached to the ocean.

And now to eat fire.

DJ (32:56.052)

if it was the ocean that one I was like I think I see

It was the ocean and of course like you drink a lot go back to your ocean It's down like the level has reduced you'd like your it was impressive what you did

There are some ecological disasters happening.

There's absolutely you you ruined some like port cities You drank so much And then the cat was German gunner and as you card look as I said, he's like, yeah you we were actually word you not but you don't ever come back here We'll like we don't want you to do that again. You lived him. You lifted him up to the sky. We were scared You almost woke the damn thing up

You just-

DJ (33:40.91)

I'm gonna turn low-key you, dick!

Yeah, right and Ellie was old age

Finally was old age. And he's like, it's impressive that like you.

doing a Norse mythology reference? Wait, doesn't Hercules wrestle him? I think it's a Hercules thing. I mean, I don't, and I Rick did a lot, but he also did base his Freya off of this hit piece, so I don't know.

almost certainly.

Darien (34:03.178)

True, actually, Could be both, you don't know.

Darien (34:13.614)

But he and Utgard was like, yeah, was pretty crazy that you actually managed to stand up for that long and only got down on one knee. it's impressive. Not many people can do that. Don't ever come back here. don't want you here. You almost ruined, like, the world.

out with you anymore it's like what are you doing

You're absolutely incredible. You scared me.

Yeah, was he really just testing to see what Thor was truly capable of? Yeah. He's like, that's fucking

Yeah, probably. You almost killed me three times. I ran out of mountains. I'm glad you didn't try to do a four.

DJ (34:47.79)

I'm like, look, the sun's up. What the f***? He's like, no, it's not. And it's just like that scene from Hocus Pocus. Like there's some other giants and they're just faking a sunrise to get them out of there. That's incredible. Just the, I'm just trying to picture, cause I took such delight in that story and I knew the twist of Utarloki, but even then it was delightful. Just imagine being a Nordic person.

and the board.

Oh yeah, well I remember like hearing the story from the bard and being like, what? Wait it was a trick? Thor's incredible! Like this is... This is like...

Looking at looking like they're doing it like on a beach and they look at the vastness of So he drank that much Not even a boat changes out of the way this shit works

or you're sitting around a fire.

DJ (35:36.184)

the story and you're mentioning it's fire you're like throwing bones and stuff into the fire. I'm trying to figure out what the story is for you know because it's not just meant to entertain they all it's a mythology which means it was part of a living religious tradition and it does things and so I've equated it in my head with the book of Genesis which the book of Genesis

This is a show how an incredible got it.

It's just to show how God is better than all of these pagan deities all around like that's what the book of Genesis is for it's to be like our God is an awesome God and I feel like this is supposed to do like the same thing but for Thor you listen you know Thor is strong he protects Midgard he fights monsters and giants but did you know that he

can drink the ocean, he lifted the world serpent, and he can wrestle against old age and only be forced to go down on one knee. And that's pretty cool. That's actually like, yeah, Thor's so cool. Why are we doing so many things after him?

Yeah, it's great. Yep. There's something I did forget to do with the start of this. yeah. What do you remember about your time? Totally forgot.

DJ (36:52.206)

I did clock I was trying to figure out how to like do it but we went right in and I was letting you all the time you see the ship so things we talked about Jotunheim it's where the I thought frost giants live super cold like like a ski lodge in the middle of January cold but also maybe frigid death cold I think they hike through Jotunheim into Niflheim because Scotty's place is cold

but it's past that where it becomes we're gonna truly die.

Yeah, like this was like death cold and yeah, it wasn't quite maybe it's because like Jotunheim's winter also lines up with Midgard's winter and they were doing in the summer. Maybe it lines up with the summer. don't know.

Yeah, it was summer. Because Percy came to hang out. Yeah, man, I don't know. It's fucking weird. came out super cold, I thought. And it's where the giants live. Yeah. And that's it. That's all I know about Yohan High.

can't get a strange

Darien (37:56.866)

Kind all there was in the books. Yeah. What was Sam's quest in Jotunheim?

Right, Sam went to kill that, not kill the rooster. Sam went to check and make sure that one of the three Ragnarok roosters hadn't hatched yet. And so there was that giant with the magical heart.

Yeah, I couldn't remember it. forgot I was like I'm like no listen to it at work, and then I totally forgot

Yeah!

DJ (38:21.122)

you think

I did look to see like, well, who was it? was Sam. I'm Darren would love to tell me about it. I would love to tell you about it.

Sam does some cool math to try to get it's honestly like my least favorite story that one and then I found Blitz's to also be just like kind of whatever. Listen, it's hard to compare with hearth's is fucking brilliant and Amir's is an existential nightmare

You hate to see it.

Darien (38:52.366)

I feel so bad for him here.

Talk to a therapist about this.

No, they're just gonna believe you. What is it? And what do you remember about Utgard Loki?

He is a giant who is very into illusion. I was going to say he can shape-shift because the first time we see him, he's a big old bird and he swoops Magnus away and he's like, yeah, is like, get me an apple. I want an apple or I'm going to drop you. Come do me a favor. But also when we learn more about illusion, you do got to wonder whether he was actually, were you a bird or did you have a jet pack and you were pretending you were a bird? Because it's cooler than a goofy jet pack.

you

DJ (39:34.764)

Can you just fly but you pretend to turn into- were you not flying at all? Were you in a helicopter this whole time?

You also gotta wonder like, I mean, how real are his illusions? Cause he opened up a whole ass portal.

That's the other thing where it's like...

That's the thing is like so the other thing is like the the scene that you do that the story of Thor we just got yeah, Rick redoes that one in the

Except hearth doesn't face like any illusion.

DJ (39:59.998)

No, they all... Yeah, they don't have...

The only ones who actually face an illusion is in fact Magnus and Al. They're the only ones who face an illusion.

Yeah, yeah Let's just has to make someone up and everyone agrees. He does a great job He's like I can beat you at any game and he's a literal pinball wizard.

It's like, I'll beat you at any game, but we don't have to play the same game.

That's right. He's like, never said it was the same game. And he just like, we have to unplug the machine. Please stop. win. then. Samira. She has a they try to do an illusion on her. calls out.

Darien (40:30.782)

I got it. You got a billion points.

Darien (40:38.865)

right, she calls it like immediately and kills the child.

Yeah, she's like that wasn't a child though. That was something else. Yeah, so she because she calls it but yeah, so it is

It was someone who never misses.

Yeah, I remember. So yeah, the other two don't have illusions. They just do their thing and they just outsmart them, I guess. I don't know. They just get to show off.

What do we do here? We can make him look ugly, but that's rude to this man's craft.

DJ (41:06.016)

Yeah, he's so good at it. We were trying to illusion. Maybe they thought, well, we'll just outplay him at the game. shit, he went second and is playing pinball now. We can't illusion our way out of pinball. Yeah, I don't know. It's fun. It's also funny because no one else wins. In the actual story, no one wins. No one Because they're all illusions, and you find out it was all a trick after the.

And it's not like, but it's also not like it was like life or death and nobody chased after them after that. And it was like, yeah, we're just like fucking with you, but don't ever come back. You scared us.

Yeah, it was just for fun, Zeus.

DJ (41:36.61)

Yeah, and it's interesting because it's very different because they're trying to show off and get the trust of the Giants to get the thing they want. Yeah. And Thor's just like, I'm here to hang out, I guess.

He's on a quest right now. pretty sure, if I remember correctly, he is on a quest. This was a pit stop.

This is a pit stop. It's just a place to bunk up for the night. yeah, you mentioned how real are the illusions. And it feels like the bowling thing is different than what Uhtard Loki did in the myth, where he did just use an illusion to hide what something really was.

But it was, I mean, he technically still hid the fact that this was a freeway and not a bowling lane. Like the goblet. The goblet was the ocean and not a goblet. Right. It was a bowling lane, but it was also a freeway. Yeah, there were, he says that last one, you bowled it down the I-90 and it went right past the Taco Bell on one of

But was a bowling lane.

DJ (42:28.014)

That was in a free way.

DJ (42:38.271)

I thought it was portals.

It was technically, but it was also like something that was there that wasn't. It was the mountain range. Yeah. Appalachian Mountains, I think. Yeah. And yeah, but it's still it's not like it was still like the thing.

Yeah, that one I felt I always felt like that

funky, but it's also hard to wrap your mind around when you also describe something as impossibly large.

Nah, I can do that.

Darien (43:07.246)

I can't. It's impossibly large.

I'm not talking about I'm talking about the Giants. I was a big fuck-off giant

Right, I thought we were just talking about the cat and... Actually that big. It feels like Rick Riordan, speaking what I know about your...

No, I can imagine something wrapping around me.

Darien (43:25.838)

They're illusions, but they also could be very much that big. Like it all do illusion.

Here's the thing, Siric Riding has spread the thing like all dragons can do illusion, and it does sound like it's just Uhtard Loki can do illusion.

Yeah, probably.

And they all just make themselves crazy big, but they're not crazy.

Maybe they can do like only size illusions. Yeah, and not not the crazy shit that you card Loki can do

DJ (43:51.146)

Yeah, he's just very good. He's very good at it. I also, the giantess that tried to drown Thor, she had to be crazy big.

She was large, yeah. The giants are crazy big.

Yeah. But also Rick Riordan says sometimes it's just collusion. Yeah.

I feel like Rick is like, I feel like Rick toes the line is like, is it Justin illusion? Because is there side because we know he was a card Loki shrink the whole building down in order for these people to participate in these games.

Yeah.

DJ (44:26.456)

But you have to wonder whether the things being big in the first place was just an illusion to fuck with them.

Well, I the outside was big. And they're also called giants.

They're, yeah, so giant, so how big? That's the thing, how big is a giant? Because the giant that was gonna drown Thor had to be very, very

Had to be large in order to be able to piss fast enough to try to drown Thor. Vimmer River.

River yeah, what was the name of the river again remember river DJ did not have to look at his notes for that one So everyone is that big a uterid Loki's party I Can't you're right I can't I change my mind I revoke I can't fucking wild

Darien (44:57.698)

I imagine, right?

Yeah.

Darien (45:07.671)

Very large.

Okay. Alright, so we got Scotty. We got the four name places in Jotunheim. We Utard Loki and his wild ass party.

That's it. mean, mean, that's those are the major events of Jotunheim. The rest of it is really just like Thor is traveling about doing things to people. I figured we'll talk about that when we get to the Thor episode. Yeah.

So we marked another thing off that list. Uhtard Loki's crazy part. Hey, why is he called that? Do you know?

The name of the castle is Uthgard. It might just be Castle Locke. don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't see any like sound behind, what is it, any reason in the Eddas around that in those stories. Yeah. Right.

DJ (45:51.374)

Hold on, I'm actively Googling it. Because now I got to know.

Maybe it's cause like Loki is a national illusionist so when people were describing it, it's like yeah, it's Loki of Utgard.

All right, the Utgar, Utgarda, it means of the Outlands? So his name is Loki of the Outlands. And it is, he's referred to that to distinguish him from Loki, who's Thor's buddy.

That makes sense, yeah.

Why? No, no, I refuse to just be like, that's it. But that seems to be it. And the one time he's mentioned is at this party where he fucks with Thor. Yep. That's so interesting. Another thing you'd expect, this guy's to be such an important character in Norse mythology. No. No, just like he's not.

Darien (46:43.822)

I guess yeah, but also it's he's about as important as a Medusa

Yeah. Yeah. And when reading, it's funny because I was like, well, he appears so often in the Magnus books, but also simultaneously, you could cut him out of the Magnus books and it's the same.

I mean, it's because Magnus doesn't fucking listen to it.

Listen, it's fun. He's fun. I like his scenes. like, in terms of, was like, he's so important because he's so important in the Magnus books. Well, I mean, he's around a lot.

He does tell them to go something about the apple or something after they give him the apple Tells them something specific. I don't exactly remember

DJ (47:19.918)

Yeah, he tries- yeah, I don't really remember that. It tells him to go find the... the blood sword.

He says, don't go there. Don't fucking do that. It's a trap.

That's right, he does. It's a trap. Yeah, he's, I, but the thing are there, how many Loki's are running around? Okay, that's thing I'll get into in the little camp so because I'm sitting here being like his name, his name just means, yeah, you call him Uhtard Loki to distinguish him from other Loki who's also in this story. And you're just like, but why is he called that?

Probably a lot.

Darien (47:51.79)

I wonder if Loki just means trickster.

I guess we'll find out in the Loki episode. Cause I'm just like, but it's gotta be a reason. I don't have a reason. There's not one. Okay. Neat. Mythology is weird.

It says it means lock in Norse.

Listen, there are two Judases. So like, can't get upset at this Loki-Utard-Loki thing. It's not isolated to North mythology.

Darien (48:24.174)

Are there two Judas' darien? I'm sure there are several Johns.

Are there two Judas?

DJ (48:31.948)

You know what? I'm actually right. There are that because then we have John the Baptist that specifies who this is.

Actually, I'm not sure if there are several Johns or if there's just John the Baptist.

I mean the, what is it? I'm sure there's a John Disciple.

Yeah, that's John the Baptist. Okay. So Judas, there are several Judases or Jude. Cool. And, and D and Jesus did have two disciples named Judas.

There you go.

DJ (49:05.294)

So how about that? right. All right. So, Fras Giants are not a thing. They're just giants.

Frost giants could be a thing, but Jotunheim giants are not frost giants.

not frost giants, they're just giants. Good at illusion or the very least, Uhtar Loki is. Yes. And this is just the place where Thor went on some adventures. Yeah. Did anyone else do anything? Odin did at Moonshine.

Odin did? Skirnir? Did? That was the phrase.

Right, he went to go get the giant chick to agree to fuck Frey. Yeah.

Darien (49:45.099)

and god what the fuck gherard gherard he did

Yes.

Who's that?

Oh, he's a Yodan, so of course he did shit. was the father of Galp! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!

Okay. Yeah.

DJ (50:02.049)

Okay, yeah.

Darien (50:06.168)

course.

Hey, so, did you thank you for taking me on this adventure through Jotunheim?

Of course. You got any examples of Jotunheim, Throu?

Honestly, just Thor. And just and honestly, specifically just the first Thor movie. Where Thor goes out there with his friends just to like.

I was like I don't think they ever go back but that is because Loki did destroy it I've destroyed at the end of that fucking movie

DJ (50:31.381)

Yeah!

Yeah, yeah, I think we never see Yoda again.

I think maybe...

It's just a strip.

Have no evidence of the contrary.

Darien (50:46.178)

Damage to the point where it collapsed in on itself, probably.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Asgard at the end of Thor Ragnarok. Yeah, and as we talked about, it's just an icy barrenscape. It's like a dead ice planet. Yeah. Maybe not. We're just seeing this one area with, I mean, it's mostly ice and some frozen.

Yeah, it's like ice cliffs and it's like it seems like it's a whole big glacier because even like the it's not like we see any rocks. It's all literally just solid ice. How do you live here? They're frost giants. don't know. What are you eating? They're frost giants.

So nothing? Is it all an illusion? And then Loki's great at illusion magic in the Marvel comics. And I actually don't know if that's a thing for Loki, Loki. If he's good at illusion or if he's

You're just eating ice.

Darien (51:40.034)

He can turn into a falcon

Well, he shapeshifts, but he used Freya's cloak to do that. He turns into a horse. He turn into things. Yeah. That's not necessarily illusion magic, though.

Does it not count as illusion school in Dungeons and Dragons? Is shape shifting not illusion school?

No, it's transfiguration. That's a different school of magic. you're physically actually changing into the thing, it's not an illusion, it's transfiguration. If you're presenting an image as if you had transformed, then it is illusion. If it's what Gus does in the Owl House, that's illusion magic.

I don't know that reference.

DJ (52:25.494)

Yeah, I know you didn't. made it for Tim. All right, DJ, what about you? You talked about Scotty a little bit in Smite. It really fun in Smite. I bet it'd be cool. Well, if you were tasked with putting him in spite, what kind of character would he be?

No he's not.

I wonder what he would do.

Darien (52:45.87)

Probably I was gonna say mage but in smite too. There's not really trying to get away from that more class based thing Yeah I forgot well, that's because new gods aren't coming to smite anymore

Interesting. Right, if you're going to put them in Smite 2.

DJ (53:01.614)

makes sense, but I said I genuinely forgot about Smite

Probably have him be a little more of, probably an illusionary based tank. That'd be kind of fun.

yeah, that would be kind of fun. I like that.

trying to throw up different leg tricks of sorts. I couldn't tell you any of his moves or anything like that. I'm not that creative.

She'd be able to pull mountains as like a shield.

Darien (53:25.209)

but Amir does that. He raises up an ice wall.

You're saying no two characters in SMITE have similar movesets?

No two characters summon walls like that.

Okay. But like, okay fine, but do any two characters have similar sets at all? I'm not saying it's- they both share, but the one-

The closest thing I could think is... What is it? Pwash with his corpses and corpse explosion and Nuwa with her stone soldiers and she can make those explode.

DJ (53:55.47)

Okay, so you would have two things that do a similar. You're right, yeah, I swore as a shield it was basically just mountain wreaths. What about Jotunheim? You encountered Jotunheim in anything?

Anyway.

Darien (54:05.262)

Nothing that I personally have seen because I've not played enough of God of War or Assassin's Creed Valhalla

Here's a big problem. Remember? You said you were so excited to

was and then I just didn't.

You also had your eye injury.

I my eye injury, and then I just, I don't know, I've never gotten around to it. I just, I'm not super interested in God of War's play style. Which is a real big bummer. Right?

DJ (54:30.286)

We should get guests on that have played this game. Well, yes. Hey, what guests can record in these weird times we're suddenly only able to record between your work schedule and my work schedule. So dear listeners, if you've played God of War and Assassin's Creed Valhalla and have big feelings about Jotunheim or any of the giants in those, you should tell us all about it. Pretty please. Educate us. Educate all the listeners.

crazy.

Darien (54:57.998)

I'd love to hear your thoughts on like because I looked at pictures. It's even in that VR game that I've been meaning also to get around to Asgard's Wrath and it's Pretty jungly in that game actually Not really cold more jungle based which was a very interesting choice

figure, the things you were describing of Thor traveling and being in, none of those things necessitated-

None of them necessitated cold. I I I'm I bet there is a description of it. But again when I flip through all of the references to it. Yeah, there's no there's no real description of Jotunheim as I I flipped through and all I saw for Jotunheim was Thor's adventures and people from Jotunheim

Mountains and

DJ (55:48.076)

And I wonder if it's like, we associate, because Scotty is a giantess and she is from Jotunheim and she is associated with skiing, therefore it must all be snowing.

But it's also like if you take that but it's you're like well, they were also in Scandinavia It must all be snowy regardless. Yeah aside from what specifically called out as not snowy

Yeah, and I think that's even not true. like, yeah, Scandinavia's pretty far up north, and I bet they have like winters and there are snow, but I bet it's not snowy everywhere all the time. Yeah, so like, Jotunheim probably isn't just like, Bogus Basin in the middle of January. Bogus Basin is a local ski resort, too.

Yeah, I mean they have gods of spring.

Darien (56:26.51)

It's just not like northern Alaska constantly.

Yeah, it's just a wilderness. It's which is exactly what it is. It's Midgard is civilization. Jotunheim is the wilderness. That's why Thor goes there to adventure and adventure and civilization.

Also specifically, Thor crosses an ocean to get to Jotunheim.

Yeah, well that's so interesting

And as I said, Jotunheim is actually a valley in Norway.

DJ (56:51.788)

Yeah, I thought it was mountain range.

I was maybe it's a mountain range either way the pick I saw it's also like the area of it is small

But it's gorgeous.

it is. God damn it, how about you? Jodunheimen National Park.

It's a national park!

DJ (57:16.046)

That's so pretty! Welcome to Lohme and Jotunheim. Damn. Look at that. That is some blue ass water. Look this bit. Google it. Listeners, Google it. Also, not all covered in snow.

It's a very beautiful location. No. Yeah. And what is it there? I saw a map for it. And so when you look at it, when it's on all of Norway, it's not that big. I said mountain range. I think it really is more of just that valley area. a mountain range would be a lot bigger than that.

to the park.

DJ (57:55.212)

The Scandinavian countries are so bizarre, why are they shaped this way?

don't know. Maybe they're in mountain ranges, right? Like that's why Idaho and Montana are shaped like that. That's true. Montana used to be part of Idaho. It did. And then the officials like, we fucking hate crossing this goddamn mountain range. We're done. So we're like, OK, we're not going to do it anymore. Two different states.

Europe just looks like that. Europe just looks like that. You get to the part of like the past New England, East Coast United States, and then you just have longer lines. There's one state that's shaped like a...

Yeah.

Darien (58:27.416)

was like, fuck, we got a lot of room here!

Darien (58:34.508)

Who? There are two states. Colorado and Wyoming.

I forget about Wyoming. Wyoming is also part of the Pride Foundation.

Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's so I love it. I love it so much when it really is just like I saw somebody describe it as the United States looks like it was actually settled from west to east and like the way that you would write like a big happy birthday card. yeah, I got so much space here is like, wait, hold on. I got to get 50 of these.

You just.

Darien (59:09.582)

I'm like so weak!

You have to put 48 in this space.

Yeah, yeah, and then except it's the other way around and it really is just like after the Appalachians like, well, there's so much fucking space over here, dude.

Whoa! Is anyone out there? Now don't worry about it. It'll be fine.

They don't got guns. Yo, Nime everybody. Thank you guys so much for listening.

DJ (59:37.038)

Thanks for taking over the the race. This one is fun.

I like, I actually did like reading the, Udgard Loki story a lot.

so glad this was, I totally spaced that Uhtar Loki would be in this one and it feels like DJ should tell me this story, this was great. Alright. what are we doing next time?

That was really cool.

Darien (59:56.842)

What are we doing next time, Dan? Is it Thor?

It's not, it's definitely not Thor. well, he was saying I didn't do the notes, so I don't have the bottom of my notes where I write the thing we do. So I get a pass. We will be back in your ears on Tuesday, October 8th to talk about. Okay. Need a Valir, Alfheim and Sval... Talheim. At the Heim. Dwarves, elves and dark elves. And Talvin.

Fair enough. No, you do.

Darien (01:00:22.254)

Spar-tull time?

Nice. Don't be like this.

Don't be like Z-

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