Story 98: It's Hammer Time
"The fact that Thor didn't solve this problem by hitting him with Mjolnir is shocking."
It's a big one! Perhaps THE biggest topic of Norse mythology.
Other topics include the trend of naming kids after Thor during the Viking Age, all the things Snorri (probably) invented, Thor's strategy for dealing with unwanted potential-in-laws, Darien not liking most of Rick Riordan's Choices regarding adapting Norse mythology, and DJ spending too much money to get a Thor SMITE skin.
Spoilers for Marvel Rivals, Marvel Comics, Marvel What If...? and SMITE
Content Warning: This episode contains mentions of and conversations about physical violence, animal death, infidelity, and slut shaming.
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Darien (00:00.172)
Muses of Mythology is a spoiler-heavy podcast.
That's an understatement.
DJ (00:16.216)
Thor.
Ha ha ha ha ha
Darien (00:24.277)
you
Darien (00:36.492)
Welcome to Muse of Mythology, a podcast where we explore how ancient myths have become part of modern pop culture through the lens of our gardens, Magnus Chase, and the gods of Asgard. This is Story 98, Thor. I'm your co-host and podcasting muse, Darian Smart. Joining me is my co-host and brother, Deetra.
As I've been doing today, I'm DJ The Muse and I've been playing lot of Marvel Rivals today. And it's not been the most pleasant time. No. But I'm having fun.
He insists he's having fun despite all evidence to the contrary. Well...
Yeah, it's competitive games. It's just how it goes. Trying to play the mirror as much as I used to.
And for that, as someone whose room is across the hall from yours, I appreciate. Shall we muse about this in the garden for a moment?
DJ (01:14.094)
Absolutely.
Hey DJ, we have a new, well, a new returning patron. Shout out to friend of the show, Charlie, also cohost of the eldest gods podcast, or rejoin the Patreon specifically to hang out for Musemus.
That's right we do.
DJ (01:31.374)
Yep.
DJ (01:36.15)
This was a wonderful time of year. We've just wrapped it up at time of recording.
I'm distinctly sad about that fact. was just...
was a fantastic year. are so glad that we got to do all the ones that we chose this year. They were shockingly good. Good. Above average in terms of how I felt the last year.
Very
Darien (01:57.102)
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I know. Thank you guys so much for joining us for that.
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Absolutely, and if you'd want to go there and listen to yourself, it's patreon.com forward slash muses of mythology.
You can enjoy this year's musimses as well as the two prior musimses and honestly all the other bonus episodes.
But there's a ton over there. Thank you guys so much for joining us and now back to the show.
DJ, it's a big one. It's perhaps the big one in terms of Norse mythology. Yeah, think every, yeah, you would be hard pressed to find an individual who is not familiar with Thor in some capacity. And yes, that is largely thanks to the Marvel Cinematic Universe these days. But in terms of Norse mythology and belief, Thor has always been a big deal. This episode is what I think I'm calling
store.
DJ (02:46.518)
everybody knows
Darien (03:10.84)
Thor's family, the Thor family, mayhaps, because I'm folding in a lot of the Thor sons. So, well, a few of them actually. But before we get into that, DJ, what do you remember about Thor from the Magnet book?
Thor and Thor'sons.
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DJ (03:29.294)
He's redhead, he's very gruff, he's built like a brick shithouse, he's got gauntlets that help him lift Mjolnir, he is addicted to streaming shows. He has a wife who he calls his trophy wife because she makes trophies. He has goats that he kills every night making sure not to break their bones because he does care about them to a degree. That's pretty much all I got.
To a degree.
He lost the Mjolnir.
That was a whole plot. The whole book. The whole plot of the second book is the hammer of Thor.
Yep. That's kind of all I got. He runs. He does- He does the- He runs 10,000 miles in one day.
Darien (04:14.25)
He does the...
but he forgot to turn on the pedometer, so he has to do it all again.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Ridiculous. Yeah. So Thor first shows up in the first Magnus Chase book towards the end in the Sword of Summer. are first introduced to his goats, who are so very sad about their death.
life.
Darien (04:39.438)
It's Marvin and you're right. I think one of them is just like this is whatever and the other one is distinctly like going through it. Yeah, we call them Marvin and Otis. Yeah, because even the English translation of their names tooth nasher and tooth grinder is just a lot so I I Support Ryard and choice in this one Yeah, that's that's largely it. We encounter Thor. He is being drowned by a giantess who's just like
Heheh. Hey, Tuma.
Darien (05:08.288)
spraying a river at him through her legs. We have covered this actual myth from the Eddas.
through her legs.
Yep, besides from the fact that she's person.
Yep, yep. It is not what a friend of the show, Robert Gamer, would call part of Rick's piss era. That would come later as the trials of Apollo books started to come out. So also I wonder if an editor was like, no, you cannot. You are not allowed to put that.
Yep.
DJ (05:36.768)
It was too much piss for one screen
No! Okay, moving away from it.
The Thorimmi is very single minded. He appreciates them helping the assistance they provided and is like, you're here to do a quest for me because that's what heroes do. They do quests for me. In another example of a real intense conflation of Greek and Nordic
Yeah, the Norse. Thor was doing everything. He just was doing it. He was the hero doing the quest.
Yeah, yeah, it's Thor. Thor is in, every time we have a story where there is an adventure, it is Thor, and the gods are involved, it is Thor. Thor is the one running around. Usually Loki is there with him. They are traveling to the different realms. They are having hijinks. They are in the shenanigans. They are on a quest. it is not, we talked about this, there aren't.
Darien (06:43.512)
Demigod here and that's the that's the thing that Rick Riden was up against he's like well now I want to do Norse they are distinctly different in that there aren't Norse Demigods any children of Norse gods are just gods themselves and children of either like a god or a goddess or often like a Jotun a giantess so there is that
Yeah.
DJ (07:08.034)
Yeah.
Darien (07:12.768)
where we haven't covered the Magician's one or the Egyptian one yet. So did you know like that one, I feel like solves this very well. It's a very different approach to the magic system. It doesn't feel like a retread of handling the where this one does feel like we just slapped half blood aesthetic over the Norse or the Norse aesthetic over the camp half blood.
issue a little bit.
Darien (07:42.426)
Set up.
The Egyptian one is, we'll dig into that when we finally get to them. But the more I'm getting into, like the more we've covered the stuff where we're like encountering the fates and other things. And in this one, rereading this chapter where he's like, you must be here to help me. It's like, I'm not saying it's bad. It just, just feel like it was the most simplest solution.
Yeah.
and I don't necessarily love it.
Well, you know, when you're writing in one certain world the whole time and you have two whole series of established rules, because at this point he also had heroes out. you still kind of had to play with that. when the Egypt was before, but I don't imagine that did anywhere near as well.
Darien (08:29.538)
before this.
Darien (08:34.728)
It is the the the the Kane Chronicles are largely considered like. I don't know the numbers, they were still all best sellers, but in terms of fandom popularity, but even I feel like the Magnus ones hit a point where folks didn't grab onto them as much as they did the.
Yeah, but they grabbed onto it way more than Because I'm absolutely enormous when it comes to series. I still haven't even listened to Kane Chronicles.
Maybe.
Darien (09:00.974)
To be fair, you didn't listen to Kane Chronicles initially because Audible didn't have them when you were doing it all for the podcast.
But also when they were coming out, was reading Magnus as they were coming out and I couldn't have given a fuck about the King Chronicles as they were coming out. Why is that thing? I have no idea.
you think that is something we'll have to examine so that's the thing he talks about having these tattoos on his knuckles of magne and modi who are his sons who will serve they're my favorites he's like this is embarrassing i'm not sure they might not even because magnus asks how old are they this is embarrassing i'm not sure they might not even be born yet
Yeah, because they're the sons that survive Ragnarok.
Yep. Also, Hearthstone is here in the conversation and he is obviously communicating in sign language, which Thor does not understand and is just projecting whatever response he wants. that Thor is being portrayed as like, very dimwitted. Which is not necessarily...
DJ (09:52.696)
Fun.
DJ (09:58.476)
yeah.
Darien (10:02.382)
an original take on Thor when you see how he is in. He just really solves things with one direct, like, will hit you with my hammer until the problem is solved. So let's get into it. The thing about Thor is that he is an exceedingly ancient god. Like a lot of these are ancient deities, right? But Thor in particular, there are a lot of deities in Europe and as far as like Asian countries.
that have very similar attributes of being like a warrior sky god associated with lightning and thunder to the point where there is a scholar, lot of scholars who believe that there is a common ancestry essentially for these figures. And what we would describe is like that proto Indo European culture. And Thor is believed to have probably been like dating back to this original idea that became split as all these stories spread out. The
Roman, we have Roman records of Thor's worship, specifically Thor as early as like the first century AD. Yeah. And we've talked about this, this particular record we have, this is by the Roman historian Tatechus. And he wrote in his Germania quote, among the gods, Mercury is the one they principally worship. They regard it as a religious duty to offer him on fixed days, human, well as other sacrificial victims. Hercules and Mars, they appease by animal offerings of the permitted kind.
Nice, it's awesome.
Darien (11:33.55)
Now you may have noticed I was throwing some Roman names at you. That's because it was common practice for Roman writers to just swap out the Roman names of deities for, yeah, swap out non-Roman names. Yes, essentially. And they'd be like, this guy's kind of like my dude. So it must actually be my guy. And I'm just going to call him by his correct name. This was called Interpretio Romana is what this practice is. So in this case,
For Roman names. Yeah.
Darien (12:03.498)
Odin is Mercury, Tyr is Mars, and Thor is Hercules. Now we want to skip ahead 10 centuries into the Viking era. We've got some more outside records observing the culture and Thor was all the rage. German chronicle Adam of Bremen, who records in his Gastea Hamburgani Genesis, Asclecia Pontificum,
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He described a statue of Thor as the mightiest, sat in a temple in a triple throne flanked by Woden and Threco. Adam would go on to say that Thor, they reckon, rules the sky. He governs the thunder and lightning, winds and storms, fine weather and fertility. And he would say that there were priests who would offer sacrifices to Thor in times of plague or famine.
And not to like, want to like, before we get into like the myths and all the grander stories and stuff, like emphasize Thor as a genuinely like tactile feels like a weird way to describe it, but like for real, for real, how every day important Thor was to folks. Like there are numerous places in Sweden, Norway and Denmark that contain the name
of the Old Norse name of Thor. Like they were naming physical places after Thor because he was so important. There are four rune stones that exist depicting Thor's various adventures. At the beginning of the Viking era, lot of names, like children were beginning to be named using conjugates of Thor's name.
Darien (13:51.328)
the record, this phenomenon didn't exist in records in previous times. so scholar Rudolf Semick has actually theorized that this became about specifically as a response at the attempts of Christianification as it started to come into the region. And you just see the idea of holding on to Thor as pushing back against this attempt to erase these pagan beliefs.
And so the essential thing I want to communicate at the top is that Thor functioned as like a protector to humanity in a way that the other deities just... Like he fights the World Serpent for a reason. The World Serpent that wraps around Midgard, that threatened Midgard. Like that idea of Thor being the one to come save or protect humanity comes from his role as a warrior, but also with the idea of like
Didn't. Yeah. Yeah.
Darien (14:50.072)
thunder bringing rain bringing fertility to the earth and having both of these aspects of being essential to the Norse people and how they viewed their place in their cosmos. also side note, yes, Thursday does come from Thor's day, the conjugate of that, that's because the Latin, the Romans were naming all their days of the week after their gods.
It came over and Germany just did the inverse of what the Romans did when they were taking their gods. So they just said, this is Jupiter's day. This is Thor's day.
Fantastic.
The first account we have of Thor from the pros edda is very similar than the first account we have of everyone when we get into the pro, sorry, the poetic edda. And that's how he's gonna die in Ragnarok. We've covered this a couple of times. DJ, do you remember?
your mongander bites him he takes nine steps into comes to a sports
Darien (15:44.972)
He does take out Jormungandr
He kills Jormungandr, but he takes nine steps after that and then succumbs to Jormungandr's poison. Yep.
So I want to talk about Snorri just for a second. We're going to, this episode is, I will let you know in advance. This episode will contain a lot of, and we think Snorri made this up. Okay. So, but one thing we know for a fact Snorri made up was the idea that Thor was a prince of Troy.
What did he do wrong this time?
DJ (16:17.112)
That's funny. Yeah, he did do that, didn't he?
He was said to be the son of Menon by Troanna, who was supposed to be one of Priam's daughters, the King of Troy. And they say that Thor would go on and marry a prophetess named Sybil, was Snorri's interpretation of Sif. And again, to try to be like, these guys weren't gods, but also anchoring them in this great Greek Western story and make them part of that tradition. Talked about that. So that's Snorri's first introduction is in the
Prologue of the Poetic. Oh, sorry, the Pro- did that a lot this episode. Prozetta. Moving over to the Poetic Edda, we've got, like I said, the Vullspa, Thor dying. And then the next time it rolls up, we have in Grimmyr's Sayings, which is just a classic Odin's in a Wisdom contest. And in this one, he mentions how Odin, in this one, talks about Thor's daily commute, saying
All right.
Kormt and Ormt and the two Kherlagr, these Thor must wait every day when he goes to give judgments at Yidrasil's ash, for the Aesir Bridge burns all with flames, the sacred waters boil. I don't know if I mentioned in the Bifrost episode that this kind of indicates that Thor does not travel across the Bifrost. Like everyone else! Or maybe no one else because it burns everything?
DJ (17:39.694)
I have no idea. He does, he does in fact, just swim across the ocean to get to Jotunheim too.
That's true. Just do you think is it like a breaststroke? Does he do the butterfly? Does he do a backstroke?
He's not he's not the water guy
Well, that's true. And I just wanted to mention that because I'm like, did I mention that in the Bifrost episode? I think I did. I can't in case. It's wild. Now, because as we've reached towards the end of our season on Norse mythology, we have actually covered a lot of Thor stories already because they over-app with other elements.
Yeah, it's pretty much the whole Jotunheim episode was talking about what Thor was doing in Jotunheim.
Darien (18:21.486)
Exactly, so we covered that one. We covered that time that Thor and Tyr got together to go pick up a big cauldron from Chimere, who's also the guy that Thor went on a fishing trip with specifically to try to regain his honor with the World Serpent after that incident at Utard Loki's palace. And so since we've covered all those in pretty, I think, solid detail in previous episodes, I'm going to focus on a couple of ones that we have.
Yes.
Darien (18:48.77)
haven't dug into just as deeply or haven't touched on fairly recently that I think indicate or we didn't examine them in the way that it would indicate us what we could learn about Thor. So first DJ, do you remember the poem All Wises Sayings?
No.
So this is the poem where the dwarf, Alvise, rolls up and tells Thor that he's going to marry his daughter. And this is the one that is so ugly. No, no, he's that he just kicks this nameless dwarf into Baldur's funeral pyre. Or maybe that dwarf does have a name. Yeah, that's no.
yeah, he him.
DJ (19:28.747)
He kicks a different, he kicks a different dwarf.
Yeah, Thor sees him and says, image of an ogre you seem to me, you were not born for a bride.
Face only a mother could love.
And so he says, like, all of us is saying that I, yeah, I'm gonna marry your daughter. And Thor says to him, he's, well, he says like, basically like, let no men break people sworn pledges. I shall break them then since I've most authority over the bride as her father. I wasn't home when she was promised to you. The only one among the gods who can give this gift.
No?
DJ (20:00.142)
Fair enough.
Yeah, so Thor basically is like, okay, well, you're gonna have to, if you want to marry Madara, you need to prove you're worthy of her. And this poem also operates as a kind of one of those wisdom poems, right? Where it's like, hey, give me, Thor questions him and this always gives his information. But unlike in like Grimir's sayings, gives us a lot of like mythological context.
We don't learn anything about the gods or their adventures or their stories or things like that because all of this is just spitting out like how good he is at poems. Like we get a lot of keenings. We learn a lot of words for other things. But it's it's just a lot of poetic synonyms that this dwarf has on hand. But it all turns in to be it turns out to be like just a ruse. Thor is stalling for time.
Of course it is. That's right.
In one breast I've never seen more ancient knowledge. With much guile I declared, I've beguiled you. Day dawns on you now dwarf and now shines into the hall. So Thor was really just stalling till the sun came up, turned this dwarf to stone and that's problem solved. Anyway, now this trickery might indicate that Thor like being clever, but this seems to be an isolated incident. does not tip it.
DJ (21:14.961)
wow, crazy anyway.
Darien (21:28.168)
The fact that Thor didn't just hit him with a mule nair is shocking. This must be a comedic poem. Usually, quick thinking is not a common attribute we're going to see in The God of Thunder and Lightning, as seen in another poem called Harbard's Song. Now, in this one, Thor encounters a ferryman who refuses to give him a ride across the water. And now they go back and forth in a flighting.
Yeah.
Darien (21:55.562)
Essentially boasting of their own personal like manly accomplishments while simultaneously insulting the other person. Yeah In this the ferryman is believed to be Odin in disguise I saw some scholarship early one would take it there was a period of time where it was like hey Maybe it's Loki because he says some things that are similar to things Loki says in other places But this isn't usually Loki's mo. Yeah, and it's I don't know why would Odin do this. I don't know. How do we know it's Odin?
I don't know, honestly. There's a lot of poems that just start with saying, and this is Odin in disguise, and the actual text we have. So I don't know how those scholars know. There's probably some pattern. I'll figure it out for the Odin episode. I'll do my best. But it notes that in the introduction for this poem in Caroline Larrington's translation, she notes that it really shouldn't be a contest at all. Like Thor.
Doesn't signify
Darien (22:52.342)
inarguably has way more feats of valor and strength just from what he does all these adventures. But such is Odin's use of strategy and rhetoric and so slow witted as Thor, that Odin emerges a clear winner despite the obvious advantages Thor has in strength and courage in battling against giants. This is kind of viewed to be a potentially like a parody of fighting things.
It wasn't even the same weight class. It was ridiculous.
Yeah, it's ridiculous. The way they talk to each other is weirdly conversational compared to other flighting poems. The meter is different. There's a line towards the end where it is said, Odin owns the nobles who fall in battle and Thror owns the race of thralls, establishing a difference between the cults of the two deities. Or as Carole Clover has suggested, the poem may be intended as a parody of the usual flighting poem. Now, thing about this is
As they go back and forth and boast about their great accomplishments, we don't have those accounts in other places. it's a lot of, well this happened, well I fought this, Thor killed a bunch of Jotunn in the east. Also a bunch of women at one point in time. But he insists, those were barely women, they don't count. And I'm like, I don't need to dig into this. This is bumming. What the fuck, I'm gonna, nope. So either.
they were things invented for this poem or potentially like obviously would have an oral tradition. the other accounts wherever these stories are being referenced, we just don't have them anymore. That's pretty par for the course.
DJ (24:29.076)
Pretty standard for Norse mythology.
Pretty standard for Norse mythology, but this poem actually includes, in the poetic edda, the first mention of Thor's wife, Sif, as they're insulting each other back and forth. Thor said, your glibness with words will bring evil upon you. If I decide to wade over the sound louder than the wolf, I think you howl. If you'll get a blow from my hammer. Hardbard said, Sif has a lover at home. He's the one you want to meet. That is the test of strength you ought to attempt. This more
for you.
Your wife's cheating on you,
Basically, Thor said, you say just what comes to your mouth so that it seems the worst to me. Coward, I think you're lying. Since we brought up Sif, let's talk about Sif a little bit. DJ, what do you remember about Sif, Thor's wife from the Magnus Chase? She's nice shofies with her hair. She's very pretty.
DJ (25:18.027)
She makes trophies with her hair. She's very attractive. She's very fashionable. Yes.
Yep. Yeah. I talked a lot about how I didn't super love the interaction that Sif and Alex and Samira have initially. think it works eventually when it overall, but the reoccurring habit of the female characters not liking the goddesses and like her stone blitz and Magnus are all like.
charmed by them instantly. And even the goddess is like very dismissive of Alex and Samira from the jump. I've already talked about how I don't love that. I don't need to get into that again. But we find out, so Sif, they're running from Jotunheim because of course they are. Oh, this is right after Uchard Loki's castle. Things have broken real bad. Sif opens a door for them and brings them into Thor's hall and is like, hey, I've been watching you. And they're like, how the hell are you doing that? That's real shady.
And she says, as I said, I'm Thor's wife. That's all most people know about me, sadly, but I'm also the goddess of the earth. It is a simple matter for me to track your movements across the nine realms whenever you pass through a forest or tread on the living grass or moss. Moss, I said. Yes, my dear. There is even a moss called Sif's hair named after my luxurious golden locks. Anyway, right after this or right before this, she talks about how she's always liked Frey because he's quite handsome.
She fluffed her hair. Somehow I got the feeling that by handsome, meant likely to make my husband jealous. And later on, we mentioned her son, Uh, Uler, who made the first bow and the first skins from Rowan Wood. I was so proud. Oh yeah. Uh, Otis mentioned something about Uler. I didn't know he was Thor's son. Sif put a finger to her lips. Actually, Uler is my son by my first husband. Thor's a little sensitive about it. This is a fact that seemed to please her.
DJ (27:19.31)
So just...
piling onto the like-
Just a bit of toxicity.
Those are some weird Aphrodite-esque character choices of the goddess being happy that her husband is jealous and wanting to make him jealous.
She likes the feeling of being wanted.
Darien (27:43.062)
Yeah. would it surprise you to hear that that doesn't seem to come from anything in the Eddas?
Not particularly? Yeah!
That's why I'm like, huh. Like I said, that feels like a very Aphrodite trait who often wanted to make her lovers jealous. And that was a pretty standard practice. Not really for Sif, except for the implication that she was cheating on Thor, which apparently it sounds like Friar, and he's taking that as being, yep, that definitely happened. If we've decided that Sif's main personality trait is she wants to make Thor jealous.
I don't know, it could be one of those situations where they'd never cheat but they just like the fact that their boyfriend is like a jealous boyfriend.
Which again, reads as a very Aphrodite Ares relationship. yeah. Doesn't really track in terms of Sif and Thor as they're presented in the Eddas. For Snorri, when Sif has a comment of like, most people don't really know anything about me beyond the fact that I'm Thor's wife. Yeah, that's pretty much the case. Like even Snorri, he doesn't mention her in the chapter where he talks about
DJ (28:39.278)
7th
Darien (29:00.632)
Thor. Like he talks this whole thing about Thor, who is like Thor of the Aesir, Thor of the Charioteer, strongest of all gods and men, where he rules his palace, his goats, his treasure. But Sif isn't mentioned here. And she's not mentioned in the chapters about like the goddesses and stuff. And she doesn't have her own chapter. She's mentioned in this chapter about Ul.
Ul is the name of one, the son of Sif, he is the stepson of Thor. He is so skillful a bowman and a skier that no one can compete with him. He is beautiful to look at and is accomplished warrior. He's also a good person to pray to when in single combat. Which is all very nice and well and good. Now who is his father? Not a clue. Who knows. It's never mentioned. Hate to say it. Theorize, maybe it's Njorn, maybe it's Frey.
You
DJ (29:47.374)
Who knows?
The fuck knows? I don't. No one does. And that's the other time. then the other time Sif is mentioned in by Snorri is, um, there's a mention of a feast that all the gods are at and Sif is stated by name as being in attendance there. Hi now DJ, we talk about Sif's golden hair. Do you remember how shhh, what's deal with the hair? She does. You've said that three times.
She uses it to make trophies.
that's kind of all I know about it. I see was made out of like a real gold or some shit like that. She lost it all at one point. This was a reward for something.
That's all you can remember, okay?
Darien (30:27.646)
Okay. Okay. In addition to making trophies, she also makes a new grout for Alex, which again, I love where the Sif thing eventually goes and it kind of indicates that they were judging her too harshly initially. And just, yeah, when I like it, but it's just like, yeah, it's unbreakable and it's best of all not made by your father. So I love that. Speaking of Loki, he cut off all Sif's hair.
That's what it was.
This is in the Snorri's Skaldum Skamparl and it's Chapter 5. The dwarves make treasures for the gods. Why is gold called Sif's hair? As a prank, Loki, son of Laufey, cut off all Sif's hair. Okay, man, you could call that a prank. Definitely sounds like some sort of internet, dude. It's a prank, bro. It was just a prank.
praying.
When Thor learned this, he grabbed hold of Loki and would have broken every bone in his body had Loki not sworn to find a way to get the Dark Elves to make hair from gold for Sif, which would grow like any other hair. And this we talked about in the dwarf episode. This is the account where Loki gets these two dwarfs, like two factions of dwarf brothers to compete in a contest of making craft or craftsmanship.
Darien (31:50.382)
saying that they will get to cut off his head if the other ones win. And then gets out of it being like, yeah, you won, but you'd have to damage my neck and that wasn't part of the deal. So they stitch his fucking mouth shut.
Nice, nice.
DJ (32:01.73)
you bastard
So this story is fascinating because, Dee, did you remember any of the objects that the gods get from this encounter?
Is there a duck in there?
There's not a duck in there. Unfortunately, that was a rye-arded invention.
Yeah. no, I don't.
Darien (32:26.232)
So it includes such things as phrase ship, Odin's spear. and just a little thing, Thor's hammer mule there.
That's outstanding. Love to see it.
It's wild. The scholar John Lindow draws attention to the fact that the need to replace Sif's hair in this story is what directly leads to the most powerful artifacts of the gods. And it's kind of could be interpreted as to say like the importance of her hair because they do make her hair they make her there's like beautiful golden hair that grows and acts just like real hair. It's like just his headpiece she puts on.
early.
Darien (33:08.206)
It's like, your hair would grow back eventually though, Sif, right? It is way better now, gold. I just assume that her hair does grow back eventually, but she just, know, wears her golden headpiece over it, obviously. Now, Faer'd Hair Deity was like a Keening for Sif. And this element of her hair being golden has led to scholars...
But go
Darien (33:34.606)
viewing it as an element that could be interpreted her overall role in Norse mythology, specifically identifying her as a fertility goddess. 19th century scholar Jacob Grimm, yes, that one, suggested that her golden hair is something that would be connected to fields of wheat, likening her to the Roman goddess Ceres. This is an interpretation of another scholar, Hilda Ellis Davidson.
Peace.
DJ (33:58.52)
Oooh, nice.
Darien (34:04.138)
shares saying quote, the cult of Thor was linked up with men's habitation and possessions and with the well-being of family and community. This included the fruitfulness of the fields and Thor, although pictured primarily as a storm god in the myths, was concerned with fertility and the preservation of the seasonal round. Thor's marriage with Sif of the golden hair, of which we hear little about in the myths, seems to be a memory of the ancient symbol of the divine marriage between the sky god and the earth goddess.
when he comes to the earth and the sun there's storm and the storm which brings the rains and makes the fields fertile. Now I do want to note that not all scholars are totally sold on this interpretation of Sith. Rudolph Semmich, who's offered an etymological interpretation of Sith's name as being quote, relation by marriage, has suggested that she came about as more of a compliment to Thor's already established fertility association. And he rejects any sort of like vegetation interpretation of the goddess whatsoever.
In fact, Simic goes so far as to say that Snorri invented the Loki prank aspect just to like write this story explaining attributes of the gods. So like, why does Sif have golden hair? well, it's because Loki did this prank and that resulted in the ship, the spear, the hammer and all these other things. What's the story? Shout out to Snorri. Now, the other time Sif shows up in the poetic edda,
is in, speaking of Loki being a little fucking shit, Loki's coral. we know this one, is where Loki's just rolled up to a party. It is being the biggest ass.
DJ (35:38.766)
Yeah, you're like, why are you doing this, dude? This isn't cool. This isn't like you. Are you feeling all right? You're a bit of a jackass, but you're not this.
Yeah. Yep. Now he's just insulted Scotty, implying that they slept together. Then Sif went forward and poured out mead for Loki into a crystal goblet and said, welcome now Loki and take the crystal goblet full of ancient mead. You should rather admit of the Aesir's children that Sif alone is blameless. He took the horn and drank it down.
He would be the only one, if we're so. We're cautious and reluctant with a man. I know one, and I think I do now, a lover besides Thor, and that was the malevolent Loki.
So how'd sleep with you too, bitch?
It's like, one go-to is that either I slept with you or you slept with your brother. And that's just like a go-to insult for the goddesses. And it's like, feel like we're just like not putting a lot of creative energy into this. This instance is interesting for a couple reasons. One, what Sif does here is actually very familiar, very similar to what...
DJ (36:36.853)
Certainly not.
Darien (36:50.862)
The Queen in Beowulf does early in the poem. Hulgar's wife, Welland though, moves through the hall serving need to warriors and helps diffuse conflict. that gives an instant, that is something in Beowulf, which is like the earliest known English literature, if dear listeners you weren't aware of this, Beowulf is a really big deal. It is a dramatic literature to be specific.
it demonstrates the role of the wife in this society and not to be a silent piece in the back, but how she has an active role as peacemaker in the King's Hall. And so Sif's also demonstrating this kind of function indicates a longer tradition of that, especially with her name often interpreted as like family, as Semek demonstrated with his interpretation.
Darien (37:52.902)
The... This is kind of cool and could indicate that that was what Sif was attempting to do here by like serving Loki is that she wasn't like being like, oh, well, well, it's just a joke. Everyone don't make it like she's actively trying to diffuse everything and calm things down. But Loki's just the biggest shit. He's just a jerk. He's just a jerk. Another thing we have, as I said, this instance in this poem and the other one in the Harbard song poem are the only two times Sif is mentioned.
And both times it is to accuse her of being unfaithful. And the first time Thor is outright being like, I think you're lying. And this time Sif doesn't respond. And so the scholar, it goes back to that thing I've said about like, sometimes scholars will just decide that Loki must be telling the truth here.
doesn't make any sense. He's probably just being an asshole.
probably just being an asshole. So Caroline Larrington again, notes that like nowhere else is it attested that Sif is unfaithful. So considering the idea that like Loki cut off all her hair, she does suggest that maybe this accusation that Loki is making explains how we got close enough to carry. I don't like how I said that. this accusation, Larrington said quote,
Yeah.
Darien (39:10.19)
How he got close enough to carry out what my... How he got close enough to carry out what my big... Okay, I'm sorry. The way I set up this statement does not allow me to read this quote. So basically she says that maybe he was able to cut off her hair because they did hook up. That's essentially Larrington's statement here.
Or it's like Loki and he goes invisible and does things? Like there's several ways of he could have gotten crazy.
Harry's like shady as hell and disguises himself or-
Also, it's a snory thing, maybe it's snoring inventing this. now, I said, Sif herself does not respond to this accusation. She doesn't have to because three verses later, Thor shows up. He's ready to beat Loki's ass, specifically threatening him with Mjolnir. Thor then arrived and said, be silent, perverse creature. My mighty hammer, Mjolnir, shall deprive you of speech.
your shoulder rock I'll show strike off your neck and then your life shall be gone. And that line Mjolnir shall deprive you of speech is reprised in every subsequent verse that Thor is in like threatening Loki with and Loki finally leaves hiding himself in a waterfall and everything else happens after that. And that felt like a great time to talk about Mjolnir because
DJ (40:31.758)
Just special hammers.
It's the special hammer. Now, the name for Thor's hammer, or the etymological origins for it, is a matter of debate. Scholars have ranged from interpreting it as meaning lightning or the color white or the grinder.
Mm-hmm.
Who's to say really there's a lot of options, but we know it's important Snorri himself notes that Thor has three choice possessions one is the hammer Mjolnir frost giants and mountain giants Recognize it when it is raised in the air Which is not surprising as it has cracked many a skull among their fathers and kinsmen His second great treasure is Megengard belt of strength when he buckles it on his divine strength doubles his third possession the gloves of iron
are also a great treasure. He cannot be without these when he grips the hammer shaft. So- It's just, yeah. Strong-
DJ (41:29.23)
He needs a strength gloves. Strong gloves. Tear his hands right off if you don't have them.
The notion of Mjolnir as only Thor can lift it isn't necessarily the Marvel if he be worthy.
Yeah, it's just it's so fucking heavy. He's the strongest fella and even then he has to have his iron gla-
So.
He has to the gloves and sounds like maybe the belt too. Yeah. To double his strength and also.
DJ (41:56.63)
He's really just a weightlifter guy. He's got this fucking weightlifting belt and he's got his lifting gloves on. He's ready.
Now, Mjolnir is most often mentioned when Thor is fighting, as indicated when he threatens Loki with it like seven times at the end of the poem. But it might also be how Thor's goats are resurrected.
Yeah. Did you mention the goats earlier? Yeah. And they die.
eats them every night and every morning they come back all the like the flesh comes back. The bones don't heal so he doesn't break them. Yep. Because of that reason they don't heal overnight. he would actually have to let his goat live for a while in order to let it heal properly.
Yep, and that story comes from the Gelfandingningning, from Snorri. It talks about how Loki and Thor were traveling together and ended up stopping at a farmhouse and arranged for lodging over the night. Then Thor slaughters the goats and prepares them to eat and he invites the farmer and his family to dine with him. And he instructs the household to throw the bones on the skin. Thalfe, the farmer's son, took the thigh bone of one of the goats and wedging in his knife,
Darien (43:17.068)
Thor the bone to reach out the marrow. Thor stayed the night, and just before dawn he got up and dressed. He reached for his hammer Mjolnir and, lifting it up, consecrated the goat skins. The goat stood up, but one of them was lame in its hind leg. Thor noticed this and suspected that the farmer or one of his household had mistreated the goat's bones. They come out, and Thor is pissed. You're so angry. Thor's hand clenched the shaft of the hammer until the knuckles whitened.
As might be expected, the farmer and all his household began to wail. Begging for mercy, they offered and returned everything they owned. When Thor saw their fear, his anger passed. Calming down, he took from them their children, Thalfal and Roskva, as compensation. They became Thor's bond servants and followed him ever since.
Yep. Yeah. They were with him when he went to Ukard Loki's. Yeah. crazy. One of them competed in the contest, the male. Not the eating, the running.
They were?
Darien (44:11.712)
yeah! Well that's neat.
The running run, yeah. So that, like the one, it's Mjolnir's, are the goats magic or is Thor and Mjolnir magic? Who knows? Maybe. Skemmick has actually likened Thor's goats to the beast of Valhalla that they eat again and again. So it might just be an extension of that myth.
Who knows? Fixed it both maybe? I don't know.
Darien (44:44.462)
This one does kind of make it sound like it's Thor just bringing the goats back to life as like an effort, which would imply that in sort of summer when they eat the goats, Thor shouldn't be able just to bring them back the next day. Clearly, so Ryorn is clearly presenting a version where the goats themselves are magic to come back and not Thor is the one who has to bring them back with the hammer. Fun fact about the goats, they are only given names in this story by Snorri. Oh, yeah. It was mentioned in the Gilfunding inning.
We get a goat name, but we don't get the eagle name.
We don't get the eagle name. Well, Snorri didn't bother to invent that, but he invented some goat names because while they are referenced in the poetic edda, specifically when it mentions the goat having one of its hind legs being injured, it cites Loki as being responsible for it, but says that you are already familiar with that tale. Meanwhile, over here, it just sounds like this kid, however old he was, just did this of his own accord and Loki had actually nothing to do with this one. Did not tell him to do it or So.
Okay
Darien (45:45.902)
As I said, there are a couple examples of, we think Snorri made this up. We think, the scholars think that Snorri made up the names of the goats. Mjolnir as the symbol of Thor goes, how do I want to word this? It is the symbol of Thor. To the point where, how I said at the top, talking about Thor as this like representative of humanity, which I think, a protector of humanity, which I think is something that this goat story actually indicates. He's super angry.
about what has happened with his goats. But when he realizes how afraid the family is of him, he does draw it back. He's angry, but he doesn't want them to fear and cower before him, right? Not like he would want the giants to do so, and he would have just killed all the giants for such an end. Here, the children just have to become his servants, which sounds like probably was just standard cultural practice. And it sounded fine, like...
easy he would have he would have tossed them
Darien (46:44.588)
Like you said, the sun's showing up doing fun- Clearly well cared for. In addition to like further evidence we have of Thor as this important figure for everyday folks of the Norse era is the fact that over a thousand pendants in the like distinct shape that is interpreted as being Thor's hammer have been found in the Nordic countries as well as England, Northern Germany, Baltic countries and Russia.
Quests with wars. They're chilling.
DJ (47:13.776)
And Thor was big like Thor
People liked Thor. This was a symbol that they held close for protection and strength, right? I mentioned how in the Viking era, all of a sudden, folks were naming their kids, like, conjugates of Thor's name, and how Semik believed, like, hey, that was probably a response to the Christianization. The wearing of the Thor's Mjolnir, the wearing of Mjolnir as an amulet, also was popularized around the same time. It was probably...
also doing a same thing, is it kind of trying to push it back against this. And that just, again, also underlines the importance of Thor. The last thing we have that I want to talk about is the fate of Mjolnir. Because as we know, Thor dies fighting the World Serpent, or he's slaying the World Serpent, he dies after he battles it. But that's not the end of Mjolnir.
In the poem Vafnir sayings, it is Odin, once again disguised, asks what becomes of like all of the gods weapons after the fires of Surt go out, like after Ragnarok. Vafnir said, Vidar and Vali will live in the god sanctuaries where Surt's fire is slacked. Modi and Magni shall have Mjolnir and demonstrate battle strength. And so we have.
The thing Rick Riordan mentions on the knuckles, his two sons that survive Ragnarok. sons. Now here's a fun fact, Modi means wrath, Magi means mighty. Sivik, who's just been a real big player in this episode, has also note that Thor's daughter name, her name is Thorrd, her name means strength. And the three of them embody their father's main attribute.
DJ (48:53.846)
Nice.
DJ (49:07.286)
Wonderful. Outstanding. fan.
Bigfen, Thred may actually be that daughter that Alvis wanted to marry. She isn't named in the poem, but she is the one named daughter we have of-
Yeah. Shout out.
What of Odin's Valkyries do we have on this also named third? So is it this meaning strength? Is it the same? No, maybe. I don't know, perhaps. I'd like to think so. What?
That's your mommy, bro.
Darien (49:37.714)
Okay, last thing, last thing I have. In the Skalskapam, Snorri notes that Third's mother is Sif, while he says that Maggi's mother is a Jo-on named Jonsaksa. Now, Modi's mother is never mentioned. Now, since we're talking about Thor and talking about Mjolnir specifically, know DJ is like, I'm so tired.
I know I was just I just Thor was during that a Physic chip He just he had an urge and he just busted one out and it went into the ocean. That's where he comes
That's a little too Greek mythology, DJ. Bring it back in. You're Paul Norrick Ryden here.
So, talking about Thor, we're talking about Mjolnir, and obviously, it would be incomplete not to acknowledge the poem where Mjolnir perhaps plays the most prominent role. That time it gets snagged by the frost giants, and Thor's got to go and drag to get it back. Now, unlike Ryaradin's claim, suggesting that this seems to happen often, because Sam says, did it get stolen again?
Bastards.
Darien (50:46.818)
And Thor is like, no, once, no, twice, three times if you count this, but you shouldn't count this because it didn't really happen. That is like the only time it's really ever happened.
It's not even like he lost it. Somebody stole it.
Yeah, and it's the one poem, the one instance where that's not mentioned any other, it's not like he loses it all the time. It's this one time. So it is perplexing for it to be like, this happened all the time. But I would like to save getting into that poem for our next episode. With Loki. Yes, spoilers, y'all. It's the Loki episode. Don't go waiting for it. Double spoilers, y'all. Robert.
Okay, with Loki.
Darien (51:23.438)
Our gamer's gonna be on the episode. Here we go. We got a guest episode. Finally, we've arranged it. and I have the same day off coming up soon, which our guest can record. So, hooray. So DJ, do you want to tell us about Thor and Marvel rivals?
Wonderful.
DJ (51:40.534)
He's a tank. They call them vanguards in that game. He uses Thor Force, which is his own resource, which is like hammers that take two seconds to charge. can either throw his hammer, swing his hammer and like dash with his hammer, very short distance. Or if he's got three, he can become like mighty Thor for a bit and throw out like electric from his hands. Pretty fun. As long as he flies up in the air and he slams down, he's
not the worst thing to do.
Okay, who's the worst tank to deal with?
Penny Parker. Or Venom. Both are very annoying. Both have a ton of futility in their kitten. don't like it.
Woo! Or venom.
Darien (52:25.468)
DJ, would you like to now tell us about Thor and Smite?
I'm gonna pull up his lore.
While we're still on the Marvel, I should... Okay, so Thor obviously exists in the Marvel comics. It's a big deal. I'm not gonna go into the modern stuff on Thor. Like, there's a lot. Honestly, go read the run of the Mighty Thor where Jane Foster was Thor. That was super fun and really neat. But I wanna just real briefly talk about the origin of Thor from Marvel comics. Not whatever the current canonical, like, re...
retcon version of his history. This is, I want to talk a little bit about the first time the character showed up in Marvel Comics. And it was August 1962 in Journey into Mystery Number 83, written by Stanley artist Jack Kirby. Now we've introduced Dr. Donald Blake. He's vacationing in Norway. He encounters an invasion force of the Stonemen of Saturn.
classic.
Darien (53:32.682)
He takes runs, hides in a cave, finds a cane, grabs it, and then finds himself transformed into the Thunder God, Thor, the cane-becoming Mjolnir. It's like a little bit of a King Arthur type, but fully transforms him. The inscription on Mjolnir is where we get the, whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.
outstanding.
Yep, as Thor, Donald Blake can fly and control the elements and be super strong. Now, it's Mjolnir would always magically come back to his hand, but if it was out of his grasp for more than one minute, he would transform back into his human civilian identity. This comic was not consistent. They just didn't have a lot of time to dedicate to it. He would reappear a little bit later. And having moved back to New York.
and set up a practice with a young nurse named Jane Foster, who he immediately fell in love with. Although Foster was not aware of Blake's alter ego because Odin, Thor's father, made it, let him know it was strictly forbidden for him to ever tell him anything about this. In time, by specifically the seventies, they would retcon the entire Dr. Donald Blake wielding Mjolnir as a human.
Hate to see it.
Darien (54:50.702)
Basically established, no, he was Thor the whole... He just forgot he was being punished by Odin and sent to Earth. Awesome. And that's roughly what we got in the movie. And that's where we've gotten to this day. I just wanted to share that because it is super wild and funny. And also there was a what if early what if comic where what if Jane Foster had been the one to find the the Canaan became Thor.
I forgot.
Darien (55:16.974)
And that's how I knew about that. And that's why I fucking called it was Jane Foster when they first did the first like 10 issues of the Mighty Thor run. The readers don't know her identity. Like we don't know who it is. There's a lot of theorizing about it, but I was like, it's fucking Jane Foster. We've done this already. But yeah, I want to share that because isn't that comics are great.
We know it's obviously
DJ (55:37.506)
No, it's wonderful. Big fan.
requiring every ounce of Thor's Nier limitless strength just to keep them at bay. Had the tide truly turned, Asgard might have been destroyed, but a simple prank played by the treacherous Loki ended with the creation of Mjolnir, the legendary hammer, and with it Thor utterly crushed the frost giants. Sif, Thor's wife, had hair like rays of sun through a cloudy sky, and Loki, being covetous, secretly sheered it off while she slept. Mad with fury,
Thor demanded Loki fix this. So Loki went to the dwarves of Ivaldi who forged a golden crown that would grow equally golden hair, a spear that never missed its mark, and a ship that would never sink. Proud of his treasures, Loki returned to Thor and the other gods, gave the crown to Sif, then bragged that no greater items could be forged. The dwarf, Brock, took offense to this and claimed that he and his brother could do better.
Loki bet his head they could not. So Brock and his brother forged three items. A ring that made a duplicate every nine days, a golden pig that could fly and swim, and the hammer Mjolnir with the power to shatter mountains. As each item was forged, Brock was bitten fiercely by a fly, yet only on the third one did he flinch, causing the short handle on the hammer.
When they were done, the dwarves took their artifacts before the gods and he decried Loki's fly disguise. All the gods agree that Barok and his brother had forged greater items. Loki ever cunning declared his neck was not part of the bargain or denying them his head. Mjolnir went to Thor to battle the frost giants. Proud and mighty, Thor beat back the evil horde and continues to defend Asgard this day. With Mjolnir in hand, Thor is an unstoppable force even other gods would do well to avoid.
Darien (57:56.078)
So that one definitely just felt like someone really likes the logo.
is one of these very first gods. I think he was part of close. Yeah.
original yeah like cuz I was like we spent a lot of time talking about a story that Thor is not involved in tangentially involved in it I think we could have gone without having to you just been like because he was like I'll get it fixed he went to the dwarves and as the result Mjolnir was one of the magical artifacts created but no we including the bat and the neck
I'm particularly involved now, but...
DJ (58:26.572)
When we do the whole thing.
Darien (58:31.124)
I'm like, that's great. I think it's just someone who's like, I really like this story and I want more people to know about it it's so funny.
Yeah, he started off as a warrior, but through his kit, they realized, no, we actually made him an assassin. So he was an assassin. Yeah, it's because he had, was crazy mobile and did a ton of damage super quick. So it was easier to make him less tanky than it was to try to change his kit. He can throw his hammer and teleport to it while it's mid throw.
Crazy!
Darien (58:59.444)
Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
DJ (59:05.634)
He can slam down on the ground causing like a small wall and anybody gets stunned if they get hit by it. He spins, smacking people with his hammer. It hurts. then his ult as he flies up in the sky and he can like a pretty good range slam down and stun a lot of people.
Do you have a favorite Thor skin?
Ragnarok Force X. It's so... What is it called? Ragnarok Force X.
Yeah. Let me find it. It changes mid game. yeah. So it starts off and he's the pilot of a mech. Neat. And when you alt, he gets it Iron Man style put onto his body and slams down and he's in that. Awesome. Big fan.
That's fun.
Darien (59:50.06)
That's really fun.
That's pretty tight.
I spent too much money on it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was one of those like ending Odyssey event skins Granted sure. I got everything in the event along with it, but I spent money poorly trying to get it Oh, and I up like doubling how much I had to spend to actually get it. So I hate to see it but Fantastic skin very good. He does have the Valkyries bride skin where he's in the wedding dress Very fun
That's very good! That's good! think have mechs and Thor. Marvel, what if season 3 just did a mech episode? That was really fu- Well, that was- The thing I was sending you on were totally different episodes. There was a- You know I did send you the Kaiju fight, I think. Of the four I watched last night, that episode was the least crazy. That was the least crazy.
You were sending me things on it. It was crazy.
DJ (01:00:37.592)
There was a kaiju fight in that episode.
There was a Kaiju fight in that episode.
DJ (01:00:46.242)
That's not... That's the one you sent me the most of. No...
No, the one I sent you the most of was where Darcy Lewis and Howard the Duck got married and had a kid.
It all looked the exact same towards Well, of course it does. It's all the art. oh my god.
No, Marvel What If Season 3 is great. I highly recommend. Marvel What If is so fun.
It's a blast. I remember watching the first season and I'm like, is good. Never went back to it.
Darien (01:01:12.43)
But yeah, was a mech episode. All the original Avengers die. So the episode is actually following Sam Wilson as Captain America and also Monica Rambeau as Spectre, Nakia from... She's Black Panther's girlfriend. Wonderful. Shang-Chi is in it and Moon Knight. And they all have their own mechs to fight gamma beasts. it was really fun. So, yeah, big fan. Oh, this episode was about Thor. Yep.
That's wonderful.
It's absolutely insane. Jesus Christ.
Darien (01:01:41.952)
Yeah, Thor's pretty good. Sif's pretty good. I think I don't like Rick Riordan's Magnus Chase books. Like I do.
Yeah, but now we start relating you started interrelated to like actual north from telling you like wow
I don't I I yes, that's what it is. I still like it the end of Ship of the Dead is still my favorite ending and so I like all of the original character stuff that we're growing does but I'm starting to feel more and more that I don't like the choices he made in adapting the material and that is not me going against the central thesis of this podcast saying that these choices were wrong or that it is bad because it is different
You just didn't like him.
I'm allowed to not like them. Yeah. And that does not negate the central thesis of the podcast. I'm not saying you have to like all variations of a myth. Just saying them being different doesn't necessarily make it bad. In fact, the differences do ultimately serve the narrative that Rick Raiden is trying to tell. And that's it. We'll be back in your ears on Tuesday, January the 14th to talk about Loki. Let's do it.
DJ (01:02:35.916)
Absolutely not.
DJ (01:02:53.858)
Loki. Thank you guys for joining us and until next time.
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